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FA Discussion => VR Gaming => Topic started by: Tbone on July 02, 2014, 02:55:41 pm

Title: New PC for Oculus Rift (Purchased!)
Post by: Tbone on July 02, 2014, 02:55:41 pm
I figured I would start a new thread for my own build. I gotta find the cash (most of which I can hopefully get from selling my laptop), but if anyone has any other ideas for some quick cash, let me know. I'm updating this as I go to get the best bang for my buck when I finally pull the trigger.

Updated: July 5th

Build List (http://pcpartpicker.com/user/TheTbone/saved/wqXfrH)

PCPartPicker part list (http://pcpartpicker.com/p/Kp3zFT) / Price breakdown by merchant (http://pcpartpicker.com/p/Kp3zFT/by_merchant/)

CPU: Intel Core i5-4590 3.3GHz Quad-Core Processor (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/intel-cpu-bx80646i54590)  ($184.98 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H55 57.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/corsair-cpu-cooler-h55)  ($49.99 @ TigerDirect)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z97MX-Gaming 5 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/gigabyte-motherboard-gaz97mxgaming5)  ($120.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: Corsair XMS3 8GB (4 x 2GB) DDR3-1333 Memory (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/corsair-memory-cmx8gx3m4a1333c9)  (Purchased For $0.00)
Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/samsung-internal-hard-drive-mz7te250bw)  ($129.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/seagate-internal-hard-drive-st3500418as)  (Purchased For $0.00)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/seagate-internal-hard-drive-st500dm002)  (Purchased For $0.00)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon R9 290 4GB Video Card (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/sapphire-video-card-100362sr)  (Purchased For $0.00)
Case: Silverstone PS07B MicroATX Mini Tower Case (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/silverstone-case-sstps07b)  ($74.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 750W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/corsair-power-supply-cx750)  ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-224DB/BEBE DVD/CD Writer (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/samsung-optical-drive-sh224dbbebe)  ($14.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $635.91
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Title: Re: New PC for Oculus Rift (Build In Progress)
Post by: Zero on July 02, 2014, 03:16:13 pm
What did you change? I was literally just looking at this a few minutes ago, ha ha. Is it the CPU?
Title: Re: New PC for Oculus Rift (Build In Progress)
Post by: Lithium on July 02, 2014, 04:03:33 pm
In my opinion a gaming rig should have at least a core i7 if you are going the Intel route.
Title: Re: New PC for Oculus Rift (Build In Progress)
Post by: Zero on July 02, 2014, 05:17:39 pm
In my opinion a gaming rig should have at least a core i7 if you are going the Intel route.
Why do you say that? I was under the impression that there was minimal performance increase from i5 to i7 for gaming.
Title: Re: New PC for Oculus Rift (Build In Progress)
Post by: Lithium on July 02, 2014, 07:08:07 pm
Because you don't want the CPU to bottleneck the GPU. The i7 should have additional threads which should reduce the risk of bottlenecking. Personally, I build AMD rigs to keep the cost down but utilize the best processor they have.
Title: Re: New PC for Oculus Rift (Build In Progress)
Post by: Tbone on July 02, 2014, 08:51:19 pm
What did you change? I was literally just looking at this a few minutes ago, ha ha. Is it the CPU?
I messed around with upgrading the CPU, but it would require a new cooling unit since the other CPU I was looking at was mainly for overclocking. Doing research, both overclocking and i7 produces very minimal results for gaming. Everything I've seen has stated that your GPU will bottleneck before your CPU, even when using i5.

I upgraded the motherboard from a Z87 to a Z97 and chose the MicroATX version so that I could get a smaller case. This is mainly to future proof the device. Z97 will be compatible with the newer architectures.

I upgraded the storage from 120 GB to 250 GB. It's an extra $50 but it's more than double the storage. If I need to, I can downgrade back.

I upgraded the case from an ATX Mid tower to a MicroATX. It's a smaller case, so there's less room, but my theory is that everything is getting smaller, not bigger, so having a massive PC tower is gonna be pretty silly in a few years. I'd prefer something that's easier to move around, so there ya have it.

As much as I want an Nvidia card, the extra VRAM for the 280x apparently allows it to benchmark better at higher resolutions than the 770 even while the price is significantly lower. For the Rift, this will be pretty important. We'll see what the prices look like when I pull the trigger, though.

I use Tom's Hardware monthly guides to tweak this. I also use Logical Increments and /r/buildapc to look at discussions. Here you can see (http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-cpu-review-overclock,3106-6.html) the 4590 has great performance and is definitely the best bang for your buck.

Here you can see (http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-graphics-card-review,3107-8.html) the 280x is a very good lower high-end choice. If I had the money, I'd get for the 290 or the Nvidia equivalent, but I'd rather not shell out over $300 for a video card.
Title: Re: New PC for Oculus Rift (Build In Progress)
Post by: Zero on July 02, 2014, 09:05:29 pm
You're right about everything getting smaller. I'm amazed how much smaller my pc is from the "blue monster" I inherited from you. And mine is regular atx. But I don't think atx will be phased out before I would need to completely upgrade anyway.

I noticed that the SSD was 250 gig earlier, and I was thinking "I thought for sure he was getting the 120!" Probably a good upgrade for 50 dollars.

Oh, I noticed there's no ram on the list. Are you pulling from your current desktop?
Title: Re: New PC for Oculus Rift (Build In Progress)
Post by: Tbone on July 02, 2014, 09:20:16 pm
"RAM - 8 gigs (4x2GB) DDR3-1333 Triple Memory Module Corsair XMS3 Dominator w/DHX technology"

I'm pulling 2gig sticks out of my current computer. I assume it'll be compatible (please someone tell me if it isn't). Apparently there's not a big difference between 1333 and 1600. Ideally I'd use 4 gig sticks so that I could have room to upgrade to more RAM, but I already own six 2 GB sticks, so...

I can also probably pull out the HDD as well as keep using my external.
Title: Re: New PC for Oculus Rift (Build In Progress)
Post by: Tbone on July 03, 2014, 02:11:08 pm
Should I buy? http://www.ebay.com/itm/Gigabyte-AMD-R9-290-4-GB-GDDR5-Graphics-Card-Sequential-Numbers-/191232412026?pt=PCC_Video_TV_Cards&hash=item2c8657097a (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Gigabyte-AMD-R9-290-4-GB-GDDR5-Graphics-Card-Sequential-Numbers-/191232412026?pt=PCC_Video_TV_Cards&hash=item2c8657097a)

Really cheap price for a great card...

Edit: Impulse buy - I bought it. Huge upgrade for the same price I was gonna pay for the 280x.
Title: Re: New PC for Oculus Rift (Build In Progress)
Post by: Tbone on July 03, 2014, 09:42:42 pm
Does anyone have any advice about a Micro ATX? My only fear is that components may not fit right. For instance, I'm worried that my HDD may block some of my RAM ports (I need all four since I have 2 GB sticks). I read that happened to someone else, but I think it was a different case and a different mobo.
Title: Re: New PC for Oculus Rift (Build In Progress)
Post by: Tbone on July 03, 2014, 11:00:23 pm
I probably should have done a bit more research on the 290 I bought. It's one of the originals based on the reference design. The original design came with an extremely loud fan that's not good at keeping the card cool. Almost everyone recommends getting an aftermarket cooler and installing it, which of course costs more money and would probably take up more room. I'm debating just dealing with the noise and seeing if it's tolerable.
Title: Re: New PC for Oculus Rift (Build In Progress)
Post by: Zero on July 03, 2014, 11:17:07 pm
I read some reviews on the case, and I number of people said it was nice and roomy inside. You can look at this guy's build with that case to see what how it might look with everything in it. http://pcpartpicker.com/b/ZrxYcf

It's interesting to me that that case makes everything upside down, ha ha.
Title: Re: New PC for Oculus Rift (Build In Progress)
Post by: likwidtek on July 04, 2014, 03:09:18 pm
I'm going with this case simply because my build is centered around the DK2 but it will be in the living room entertainment center and double as our new HTPC and couch gaming machine

http://www.amazon.com/Silverstone-Tek-GD05B-USB3-0-Aluminum-Computer/dp/B008J0ZOV8/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1403965771&sr=8-3&keywords=computer+case+htpc (http://www.amazon.com/Silverstone-Tek-GD05B-USB3-0-Aluminum-Computer/dp/B008J0ZOV8/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1403965771&sr=8-3&keywords=computer+case+htpc)
Title: Re: New PC for Oculus Rift (Build In Progress)
Post by: Tbone on July 05, 2014, 05:02:20 pm
Dago is gonna buy my laptop from me, and I've already purchased the video card, so I'm hoping to pull the trigger on this tonight or tomorrow. I'm looking for advice here:

http://www.reddit.com/r/buildapc/comments/29xbs0/build_ready_microatx_for_oculus_rift_dk2cv1_w/ (http://www.reddit.com/r/buildapc/comments/29xbs0/build_ready_microatx_for_oculus_rift_dk2cv1_w/)
Title: Re: New PC for Oculus Rift (Build In Progress)
Post by: Maglorius on July 05, 2014, 06:39:32 pm
What is your current budget or what are you looking to spend?
Title: Re: New PC for Oculus Rift (Build In Progress)
Post by: Tbone on July 05, 2014, 07:13:23 pm
Updated again. Dago is buying my laptop for $650. I also am trying to sell my Razer Hydra for $275. That gives me a budget of $900.

I already bought the video card for $260. Currently the remaining parts are going to cost $635 - $10 promo code for newegg + $30 for GPU bracket (kraken g10).

Total cost: $915
Title: Re: New PC for Oculus Rift (Build In Progress)
Post by: Maglorius on July 05, 2014, 08:58:57 pm
Everything on your list seems to be a good. I think the build will be a solid running machine.

The only thing i would suggest is upgrading the video to Nvidia when the budget allows.

I never cared to much for AMD cpu or (ati) video cards.

You could always upgrade later to an i7.

Title: New PC for Oculus Rift (Purchased!)
Post by: Tbone on July 05, 2014, 09:33:50 pm
Pulled the trigger and bought everything 0.o

Intel Core i5-4590 3.3GHz Quad-Core Processor - received!
Corsair H55 57.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler - received
Gigabyte GA-Z97MX-Gaming 5 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard -  received!
Samsung 840 EVO 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive - received
Gigabyte AMD R9 290 4 GB GDDR5 Graphics Card - received!
Silverstone PS07B MicroATX Mini Tower Case - received!
Corsair Builder 750W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply - received!
Samsung SH-224DB/BEBE DVD/CD Writer - received!

G10 Kraken - received!

Total cost: $944.57

I went a little over budget, but if I sell my Razer Hydra then I'll be good to go!
Title: Re: New PC for Oculus Rift (Build In Progress)
Post by: Ash on July 05, 2014, 09:48:11 pm
Looks like a very decent build.  Question though...Will the Rift need a Graphics card with that much memory?  Am I behind the times and all graphics cards have that much these days?  I have a couple Radeon HD 6970's (crossfired), do I need to be looking into upgrading in order to use the Rift?
Title: Re: New PC for Oculus Rift (Build In Progress)
Post by: Maglorius on July 05, 2014, 10:26:40 pm
The only thing mentioned on Oculus Rift website is:

 Recommended specifications: A desktop computer running a dedicated graphics card with DVI-D or HDMI graphics output, with capability of running current generation 3D games at 1080p resolution at 75fps or higher.

I am currently running 2 GTX680 SLI, should be fine.

Title: Re: New PC for Oculus Rift (Build In Progress)
Post by: Tbone on July 05, 2014, 11:04:43 pm
Looks like a very decent build.  Question though...Will the Rift need a Graphics card with that much memory?  Am I behind the times and all graphics cards have that much these days?  I have a couple Radeon HD 6970's (crossfired), do I need to be looking into upgrading in order to use the Rift?
That's a good question. From what I understand, VRAM comes in handy when gaming at higher resolutions. The DK2 is 1080p, but what if CV1 is 1440p or higher (as it is rumored to be)? I want to be able to play at those higher resolutions so that things aren't blurry far away, text is easier to read, etc.

All of that said, who knows what Oculus has behind their magic curtain. Perhaps they're working on something that would make most of this moot. I was due for an upgrade anyway, though, and with the DK2 coming in August, I wanted to be sure. Originally I was gonna go for the 280x, but I found the 290 on eBay for the same price (turns out that it was due to a shitty reference cooler, so I spent the extra $80 anyway).
Title: Re: New PC for Oculus Rift (Purchased!)
Post by: Lithium on July 05, 2014, 11:56:30 pm
The build looks fine. The mini-ATX is probably okay. Typically you lose some additional USB ports or fancy audio stuff on the motherboard--but it looks like they have even solved for that these days--maybe you lose some PCI-e slots and crossfire/sli isn't possible, which isn't a big deal.
Title: Re: New PC for Oculus Rift (Purchased!)
Post by: Tbone on July 06, 2014, 01:04:50 am
Lithium and I are having a discussion as to whether the Corsair H55 + Kraken G10 GPU cooling solution will fit in the Silverstone PS07B. I think it'll fit in the back.
Title: Re: New PC for Oculus Rift (Purchased!)
Post by: likwidtek on July 07, 2014, 11:53:12 am
I am currently running 2 GTX680 SLI, should be fine.

Nope.  No SLI or Crossfire for Oculus.  All kinds of frame rating issues, lag and latency stuff.  You'll need to disable SLI.  :/
Title: Re: New PC for Oculus Rift (Purchased!)
Post by: Maglorius on July 07, 2014, 09:33:15 pm
I wasn't aware, I guess 1 gtx680 will be fine.
Title: Re: New PC for Oculus Rift (Purchased!)
Post by: Ash on July 07, 2014, 09:34:05 pm
I am currently running 2 GTX680 SLI, should be fine.

Nope.  No SLI or Crossfire for Oculus.  All kinds of frame rating issues, lag and latency stuff.  You'll need to disable SLI.  :/

Do you have any documents or links that can verify your claim, because I would like to be sure?
Title: New PC for Oculus Rift (Purchased!)
Post by: likwidtek on July 07, 2014, 10:39:43 pm
I'm on my phone. Google it or search the oculus subreddit for things pertaining to SLI, Crossfire and dual GPU.


I'll try and post a couple links but again I'm on my phone:

https://developer.oculusvr.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=9712

Cyberreality saying not to use dual GPU: https://developer.oculusvr.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=6738#p93122
Title: Re: New PC for Oculus Rift (Purchased!)
Post by: Tbone on July 07, 2014, 11:45:43 pm
I am currently running 2 GTX680 SLI, should be fine.

Nope.  No SLI or Crossfire for Oculus.  All kinds of frame rating issues, lag and latency stuff.  You'll need to disable SLI.  :/

Do you have any documents or links that can verify your claim, because I would like to be sure?

Yeah, it's pretty well documented among those who have tried it out. It adds a frame of latency even if other issues are fixed. Hopefully it's something that's solvable, but it doesn't sound like they are there yet. A single powerful card is the way to go for now.
Title: Re: New PC for Oculus Rift (Purchased!)
Post by: likwidtek on July 08, 2014, 11:25:54 am
This video is REALLY long and SUPER technical but it explains it perfectly:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsHuPxX8ZzQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsHuPxX8ZzQ)
Title: Re: New PC for Oculus Rift (Purchased!)
Post by: Tbone on July 12, 2014, 04:41:00 pm
Ok, I got all my parts in and have started building! Waiting on Dago for most of it, though, as he has my thermal paste and I'm paranoid about messing something up!
Title: Re: New PC for Oculus Rift (Purchased!)
Post by: Ash on July 13, 2014, 03:29:04 pm
Ok, I got all my parts in and have started building! Waiting on Dago for most of it, though, as he has my thermal paste and I'm paranoid about messing something up!

You do know that Radio Shack sells thermal paste right?
Title: Re: New PC for Oculus Rift (Purchased!)
Post by: Tbone on July 13, 2014, 08:50:46 pm
Video card isn't working. After a lot of fuss, I got it working for 15 minutes and then went out for good. First issue I had was I had to plug a fan into the card even though I was using a different fan. Second problem was my pump was unplugged so it was shutting itself off from overheating. This new problem - I have no idea. When I went to take the card out again, I did notice that the pump had come unplugged at some point. I'm not sure if this happened while I was trying to pull the card in or when I put the case back on.

I've tried about everything. I don't know what to do. The card was working for a few minutes. Is it possible to burn out the gpu that fast? Someone help!
Title: Re: New PC for Oculus Rift (Purchased!)
Post by: Tbone on August 31, 2019, 12:38:44 am
Upgrading a bit again as I've been hitting CPU bottlenecks recently.

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600
Motherboard: ASRock X570M Pro4 Micro ATX AM4
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2x8GB) DDR4-3000

A problem I see coming is that my cooler (H55) doesn't fit the AM4 chipset. There's a bracket you can get, but it appears to not be in stock anywhere. The Ryzen 3600 does come with its own cooler, but it's apparently a bit noisy. Can't find this bracket: https://www.corsair.com/us/en/Categories/Products/Accessories-%7C-Parts/PC-Components/Cooling/AM4-AMD-Retention-Bracket-Kit-for-Hydro-Series%E2%84%A2-Coolers/p/CW-8960046 (https://www.corsair.com/us/en/Categories/Products/Accessories-%7C-Parts/PC-Components/Cooling/AM4-AMD-Retention-Bracket-Kit-for-Hydro-Series%E2%84%A2-Coolers/p/CW-8960046)

Hopefully replacing the mobo and cpu isn't that complicated. It's been a while since I attempted this. Do I need thermal paste again?
Title: Re: New PC for Oculus Rift (Purchased!)
Post by: Lithium on September 02, 2019, 07:16:59 pm
Yes, always use arctic silver 5. Remove any old paste with a dab of rubbing alcohol on a paper towel. Apply a small dot of compound and spread to a thin layer with an expired credit or business card.
Title: Re: New PC for Oculus Rift (Purchased!)
Post by: Tbone on September 18, 2019, 12:26:17 am
Build didn't last. Started doing a reboot loop in less than 24 hours. RMA'd the motherboard. Getting reboot with new motherboard. RMAing the CPU now. If that doesn't work, I'm out of ideas...Tested new RAM and it's fine.