The Furious Angels
FA Discussion => General => Topic started by: Anonymous on May 07, 2004, 04:23:05 am
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I'm cruising the official MxO forums in Desert of the Real... So many people without class, without style, without a clue... I'm wondering how many of these factions will survive until the game actually ships. Some of the general or democratic ones are so loose in structure and purpose that they're meaningless. A few of them look like they could be potential problems, if they manage to survive, like the Underground. Fortunately, I think they'll make an enemy out of most factions, so I don't imagine they'll stick around.
Overall, it looks like most of the MxO forums are infested with n00bs, though there are (thankfully) a good number of respectable users and factions out there.
Reminds me why I joined the FA. Intelligent members (disregarding the Silly Thread :wink: ), a wise and level-headed leader, cool and yet realistic goals, a solid sense of community, and free t-shirts. Did I leave out anything? Needless to say, I don't think TBone will have any trouble keeping the faction together for the next few months preceding MxO.
So, what are all of your thoughts on all the rabble out there? On the other factions? The FA? Kind of an unfocused topic, so post away.
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I'm glad you posted about this. Tbone and myself were chatting about this a little tonight.
First I was patting him on the back for the awesome recipe he cooked up when FA was born. The recruitment method alone is Step 1 to success. Step 2 is the caliber of people that find an interest in FA. Remember… They find us… We don’t find them. With these two things we see the magic happen.
After recruitment… our members are proud to be in such a strong community and show their pride in the official MXO forums and coming SOON… in game. I am especially pleased with how many of you are keeping up the Desert of the Real threads and keeping so many people interested.
According to tbone, applications are just flooding in. Now keep in mind. Not just ANYONE can be admitted. Just passing the challenge is not enough. You get all the captains putting your application under the microscope. So for those of you who made it… CONGRATS! But don’t gloat just yet. The challenges haven’t even begun. It’s a brave new world ahead of us. If we want to be the leading Zionist movement… we have a lot to think about.
I propose we start strategizing. What is our game plan? If you say “just get in there and kick everyone’s ass”, you’re dead wrong. It is my personal opinion that if we plan on being on top, we need to BE the DEFINITION of what it means to be a Zionist. We are in a great place ladies and gentlemen. Do you realize that if we do this right… we will literally construct the DEFINITION of this word. The game is not even in beta, yet look at us.
How do we get there? Well I say we are well on our way. WELL on our way. But we still have a long way to go. Since none of us know specifics about the game… we cannot yet start planning out exact game strategy. But we can start somewhere else.
Now that we are growing quite large, we need to focus on what it means to be THE FURIOUS ANGELS. We need to make sure that we keep a close eye on ourselves. We need to ALWAYS conduct ourselves as intelligent, mature, and respectful players and community members. No matter WHAT. It is up to you not only as a citizen of Zion but as a member of the Furious Angels to help keep the caliber of FA always above the rest. This not only means keeping an eye on yourself but keeping an eye out for each other. I word it as FOR each other and not ON each other for a reason. We aren’t out to police other crewmembers, we are there to help them grow and learn.
My point is, we all have bore witness to some of the ignorance in the community outside of FA. We are and always will be above that sort of behavior. If someone spits in your face, tell me… what is the best payback? Grin and walk away. It is the art of war my friends. And believe me we will soon be at war. Not only with the machines… but I assure you… our size and strength as a community WILL bring us jealous enemies. We must be better then those who grief and mock and threaten. We know that we are stronger. We know that we are better. We KNOW that we will be here tomorrow. We SHALL outlast ALL opposition.
“We have made our choice and taken our path. Zion will not fail.”
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Now if that isn't a rousing speech I have no Idea what is. And I am glad to say that I back every single word of it. We need to lead by example, and if that example means you walk away from a fight, then so be it. Remember, A man with no fear cannot be courageous, whereas a coward who stands his ground is the bravest of us all. We must personify this message and hold true to the cause we have taken up. Now is our time.
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Amen to that, both of you.
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Your abserloutly right likwidtek, The FA is growing fast, the members are of high caliber and we could be the definition of a Zionist faction, but we still need to keep level-headed and make sure we look out for each other. Alot can happen between now and the realease, we need to make sure we stay together.
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Remember, A man with no fear cannot be courageous, whereas a coward who stands his ground is the bravest of us all. We must personify this message and hold true to the cause we have taken up. Now is our time.
I really hope the developers implament a way to capture and hold territories in the city... I would fight machinests to the death to hold our turf. We can prove the FA's might, and if we do that we are in a good position to show our compasion and good will.
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A nice idea, but is that really what we're after? That would quickly turn MxO into a turf war, and I'm not sure if I would go for that, especially with how many factions want a piece.
Besides, we should get our own construct at some point, right?
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That would be really cool if we could have FA contruction programs, and training programs and stuff, is there going to be anything like that?
I Agree with catalyst about the territory, it would be a really good idea, but with all the factions (just check the faction listing in the forum post) it would be constant war, with the faction witht he largest territory being picked on.
So what exactly do we do when we first get ingame.. its not like a normal mmorpg were we can go kill some low level creatures, i guess we have to have tactics and plan raid etc.
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yeah... that's gunna be cool to see how they do the construct.
BUT, I think our goal is to ultimately defend Zion not a piece of digital concrete. Remember we only hack into the matrix when we have a mission to accomplish. And I don’t believe the mission should ever be “Hold this street” .
To find peace, we have to end the threat. How can we do that? I see it as a paradox. I think everyone would be fine with making peace with the machines so long as they did not enslave us. So how do we create peace? This is the formula.
For them to have peace they need to survive. They need us to survive. The only way that they can survive is by enslaving us.
For us to have peace. We need freedom. The machines want to enslave us. The only way we can have freedom is by destroying the machines.
Or is it?
Imagine this my friends. What if. The humans and the machines UNITED. They rose up and coordinated an effort to find an alternative power source. What if TOGETHER we developed a way to fix the sky?
Imagine.
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A good plan, and one I'd support, provided this coincides with the freeing of an increasing number of minds per day until all minds are freed. And don't forget about letting us rebuild cities, and the like.
What you propose is wise, yet the path is narrow and both sides jaded. It will take quite some convincing on both sides, and the ability for both sides to change their perspectives. Still, the root issue is trust. If they do not willingly free minds, that's where we come in, ya?
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That would be a different path to walk down, and unexpected too. So does that mean we only play MxO when we have a mission to do? Or is there a part of the game devoted to being out of the matrix (i havnt found this out from the matrix site because I only got intersted in the game recently and cant find news archives or anything!)
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During revoulutions, the architect says that the machines have means to survive without humans, but they would have to 'resort' to those measures, so I think it is kind of a plan B for them. And How do we plan on stopping the machinists from attempting to kill the oracle?, or will she just be invisible. (I mean spirit like, moving around alot)
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From what I've read, 99.9% of the game takes place in the Matrix itself. Any out of Matrix stuff (hovercrafts, Zion, the like) will take place out of game, on boards and forums like this one.
As for official game-recognized factions and constructs, here's a quote from an interview (http://archive.gamespy.com/interviews/march04/ragaini/) that can shed some light on the issue.
Here's the relevant part:
"Once a character's Reputation reaches a certain level, that character can become a Captain and form a Crew. Crews are small groups of players who share access to a hovercraft. The hovercraft in turn grants access to a whole host of character benefits. Crews can team up to form Factions. Factions are The Matrix Online's equivalent of Guilds and are directly loyal to one of the Organizations. Faction members receive many benefits, one of which is the ability to create a Construct. Constructs are small "pocket worlds" that players manage, customize, and defend."
This is so going to rock.
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Also, so you know... there is no Zion gameplay at all. And hovercraft game play I think is only like a menu or something. (more then likley just your game loading menu, then you actually jack in.)
But yeah tbone designed this faction to follow those rules. Everyone is assigned to a ship. Each ship has it's captain. all ships join together and form a faction. and The Furious Angels is the result of that.
So this prolly is going to be step one in the game. Everyone is already assigned to a ship with a captain. It's going to be each ship's goal withing the Furious Angels to get their captains enough reputation to officially get a ship in the game.
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lol...I hope the FA's dont decide to take it seriously to the point where we only "jack in" to do what we need to to. Im playing this game for fun over realism to the films (but not blatantly stupid unrealism to the films)
We have no representation of Zion. As someone said its likely to become a forum somewhere, I dont like the idea of us making no difference in the game....we just log on, hack some stuff then once zion is secure log off.....
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I was wondering about that (TBone's organization of the FA) when I read that article. Excellent foresight.
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Hey, did he mention free t-shirts, I didn't get one of those!! But yeah, it's also a "social" place, MxO that is, so you can jack in for whatever, I believe.
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I dont think it will get like that. Obviously within the films you logged in and out as fast as possible as they risked there lives. Even if we risk our avatars life, thats not gunno hold me back, but that shouldent be an issue. Its peace now, so I guess free minds are all good to just wander the streets.
"What about the others?"
"what others?"
"the ones who want out"
"obviously, they will be freed"
"do i have your word?"
"what do you think i am, human?"
That conversation (between oracle and architect) implies to me that the humans have a greater freedom now, until the peace is broken. I know an arguement against that is if you got out the matrix the last thing you would probably do is get into broadcast depth and log back in. However, I personally would spend my time hanging out in the matrix if i were in that situation. The real world is a dire mess, I wouldent want to spend all my time there.
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haha,, cephus summed up what I said in 5 words...Its also a "social" place...
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lol...I hope the FA's dont decide to take it seriously to the point where we only "jack in" to do what we need to to. Im playing this game for fun over realism to the films (but not blatantly stupid unrealism to the films)
We have no representation of Zion. As someone said its likely to become a forum somewhere, I dont like the idea of us making no difference in the game....we just log on, hack some stuff then once zion is secure log off.....
I'm sorry you misunderstood me. I just meant that wasting time over petty turf battles as opposed to actually playing the game seems silly. Why just bicker with other clans over who rules more when you can actually follow the story that is being laid out in front of you. I'm in no way saying not to enjoy the game. I, personally, will prolly be hanging out in many a club taking in the scenery.
Hell I remember when I was playing Star Wars Galaxies... I thought the engine was so beautiful... I just walked around in the desert on Tatooine at night taking screenshots to share with friends. Just kinda exploring and having fun.
To me that's more important then "y00r a n00b!!! NUH UH!!! YER A N00B!! LOLOLZZ!@!%@$%! 3y3 AM 1337z0r NEO!!!! My CLAN IS COOLER THEN YOUR CLAN!@!@%^ LOLOLZZ!!@!1 OMG OMG ROFL PWND n00b!!!! YOU WANNA DUEL????/ YOU SUCK I RULE YOU SUCK MY CLAN RULES LETS FIGHT YOU SUCK" ......get my point?
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To me that's more important then "y00r a n00b!!! NUH UH!!! YER A N00B!! LOLOLZZ!@!%@$%! 3y3 AM 1337z0r NEO!!!! My CLAN IS COOLER THEN YOUR CLAN!@!@%^ LOLOLZZ!!@!1 OMG OMG ROFL PWND n00b!!!! YOU WANNA DUEL????/ YOU SUCK I RULE YOU SUCK MY CLAN RULES LETS FIGHT YOU SUCK" ......get my point?
hahahahaha, its funny because its true. I used to cruise round tattoine too, just taking in the scenery and being amazed when I bumped into tuskens and jawas scraping it out. Problem with galaxies was the PvP had nothing to fight for.
Yes, I agree, if the streets were up for grabs it would turn into petty street wars. I dident look that through to hard, but personally I think that would be better than the SWG pvp system. GOD DAMMIT THAT PISSED ME OFF SOMETHING CRONIC.
They have to be able to give us something to fight for (other than our own imagenry Zion in our heads and the revenge the SWG always used to entice) I would love for there to be some serious competition and conflict within PvP in MxO...not just fighting because you see an enermy. (although thats always the No. 1 reason to scrap)
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I was just about to say, one thing we all need to keep in mind is that we are all in this for FUN! If you're here, though, that means you're interested in being the best and, let's face it, being the best is fun! One cool thing about the Matrix is how they always jacked in as a group and worked together to accomplish their missions. You are obviously here because you want to impact the Matrix story. Let's work hard, but let's not work so hard that we forget that it's all about having fun! Things fall apart when people aren't happy!
Oh, and are there free t-shirts? Where do I sign up? Heh...
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I want free stuff!! Hey to uhm you wanna do a cafe press thing? Hat's T-shirts, mugs, etc? :-D
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trying not to sound annoying and petty, but i hate people that constantly t4lK l1k3 th1S n00B 0wN0rZ jo0! they have ruined so many moorpgs, you cant log onto pretty much any mmorpg without a greeting of "0h 1m S0 mucH m0R3 l33T d4n jo0!" we should maintain dignity and stand above them. Dont stoop to their level or start a fight for no reason we must preserve the respect we have managed to build up this far out of the game.
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*bump*
I want to get more people's thought about the earlier posts in this thread.
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The use of n00b as an insult is retarded. Everyone is new to everything at some point, its just complete eejits who start numerous threads which basicly rephrase the question "can I be the one"? Dont even insult these people, its not worth the arthritis you are at risk from getting from typing :P
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Zion is about honor.
But that really begs the question. What is honor? I was always taken with the gypsy code, or the Mafia code, or the thieves code. Take your pick, there are several.
Strength in numbers is one thing. Dedication to a like-minded goal is another. And style - lets not forget about style. But above all (and here I am briefly reminded of Moulin Rouge) ... honor. I am not about to devise what our code should be, and I think since this is a game and many people have different play styles a strict code will bring its own problems, but in any game I have ever played it is the guilds with honor that survive and flourish.
That said, there is nothing wrong with retribution or "pay back." I may not spit in the face of one who wrongs me and I will not shout petty insults that reflect more poorly on me than on my enemy. But neither will I stand idly by and permit the insult.
Hm. Where was I going with this? *wanders off to find the end of her rambling*
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Yeah more then likely Tubias that isn't going to ahppen. More then liekly what IS goign to happen is that we are going to be able to play what we want, and you know do what we want, but when the time comes and your crew needs you, you're going to have to jack in and do what is needed of you tehn and there.
I'm really glad to be part of this "faction". Wow it's so cool to say that. Alotta thanks to Catylst for helping me figure out the thing you know "...Follow the SOURCE..." and all - took me forever to get it but I'm glad I'm here. FA is going to rock. But guys as always I am new but with new people comes new ideas and hopefully new possibilites and hopefully new changes.
Likwidtek was right about us needing to figure out what we want to do before the game come sout. What we must do is coordinate our attack plan, and organization plan. How will we do this? We can do this by analyzing what each ability guy can do, and seeing the possibile missions that we'll have to encounter, and the general strengths and weaknesses of our staff. What we can do is in the forums ask everyone to give a general idea of what they beleive they should be, and give a lsit of their strengths and weaknesses. This will help Tbone, and hopefully some of the other people that can be put on this project to not only get to know who each and everybody is in this clan, but to get a general idea of who wants to be what, and what role they'd be most effective for. - Just an idea
Now Likwidtek your idea about us shaping MxO by having FA only fight for Peace is a well idealed and commendable plan, but I'm not sure how effective it would be. The reasons for this is let's jsut be relistic for a moment. We can't ever make FULL peace. It's a game that is striving off of the fact that the peace is shaky at best, and soon will come to an end. If we were to become close to causing peace, the game developers would cause some faction of AI machinists to like do something to disrupt it, or like have the machines backstab us or something. But I'm not disagreeing with you on what we should fight for. We SHOULD fight for peace, or atleast first and foremost Zion. Or let's take that and change it to let's fight for the humans. Different definitions right?
To get everybody's definition on what Zionist means to them so we can better identify our mission goals, I'll make a topic in the forums.......God I am way to into this..
Peace ya heard
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Oh So SORRY guys, I hadn't relized tehre was a page two until AFTER I had posted. THat whole joor a n00b l053r bs sux so much ass it's unimaginable.....When I played starcraft (oldie but goodie) it was all the talke dlike...it's like the ebonics of online games lol.
What Muse said about honor is correct. Our clan should have amd amounts of honor. Like the samuri....I'm not to sure if they would let someone spit in thier face and jsut get away with it, and you can't deny that these people didn't have honor. They KILLED THEMSELVES over it. Committed suicide. That's pretty deep crap - ya know what I'm talking about. We should fight for honor, but we shouldn't be chumps either.
The turf war...lol to be all honest does sound fun lol but I also know that it's wrong and that we should try and prevent this from happening, even though I'm not sure if we can....I think our power is going to come from alliances. We can be a small faction, but ahve a relatively LARGE impact on what happens. We can do this by manuevering out way to the top. I think we're going to have to rely on allinces to do this. The proof of this would be America - forget about all it's political turmoils, but let's look at the facts. It is a relatively small country compared to it's enemies and the such, but look at it's alliances. America isn't great because of itself, but by its alliances. It's allied with the great power of the world - Britain, Canada etc etc. Unfortuantly America has manuevered politcally wrong and is losing some of its allies, but thats besides the point.
I agree with Tbone, that his game is about FUN!! and being the best is fun. To be the best we gotta strategize, but not get so sneaky and evil that we forget wat the GAME is all about....jut a game
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Good perspective, Eclipse. Glad to have you with us. If you decide to help out with the recruiting threads, I think you have enough examples to get the idea of how much info to give. Subtlety, patience, and mystery... And make sure you don't put hints all in caps, try to keep it low key.
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God damned, I love this faction. So many intelligent people, having real discussions. I know this is off topic, but it just fills me with pride to be part of this group.
To be a Zionist. To fight for what all of mankind inherently deserves: Freedom. The freedom to choose.
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But above all (and here I am briefly reminded of Moulin Rouge) ... honor.
Lol
We've got some good thoughts running here. It is true that we don't have a set "code" yet. If you analyze our name, however, I believe you will find that our code is hidden there. Sure, the name originated from a song off the Matrix Reloaded soundtrack. The reason I decided to use it, however, was the meaning behind it. "Angels" implies mercy, fair judgement, grace, patience, saviors, etc. "Furious", however, adds a twist. Those who stand in the way of our objective will be struck down with great fury. In other words, our good side is extremely good, and our wrathful side is not one to be reckoned with. There was a good bible verse that someone posted that fit rather well.
We are also about freedom. I don't want to restrict your thoughts and opinions by binding you to some code. We are all alike here. Look around you. You are amongst the best of the best. So far we are all on the same page! Yes, we have quite a few number of members. The surprising thing is that every one of you is quite intelligent. Our age range is from 15-39, yet we are all able to have intellectual conversations. I dare you to try and find a "n00b" post on this forum! I'm honored to be leading such a fine group. Just stick around! There are great things coming soon!
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After reading that I have the same warm feeling in my chest as when you drink a fine whiskey. Ahhh, the beauty of moral.
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I think your right TBone, but a great deal of credit must go to you, your selection process was a good way to get rid of the weak, thus making it a strong clan, and a good group of people, and with the 1 week period to expell anyone you see unfit gives the remaining members a sense of achievment to of made it into the FA, and something to spur them on in battle, the pride of being a furious angel.
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First of all, I want to express what a great honor it is to be a part of such a fine organization. It will be my pleasure to fight alongside all of you. I have never seen a more mature group, no matter what age. I also agree with the ways of the samurai, and wars of honor. I don't think that any modern wars since maybe the American Civil War have been about honor, but rather about selfish government goals. The wars of the samurai, much like the wars that were fictionally fought for the Matrix, are wars of honor that have a true cause.
I agree with what you're all saying that we should start thinking about what we'll do in-game. As a matter of fact, I think it's better that we start thinking now, before we know what restrictions the game will put on us. Now we can start planning for the unexpected. We can base ourselves on what we already know about the game and the Matrix in general.
I believe that most Zionist missions will involve rescuing or finding coppertops that are in potentially dangerous locations. That's just what I think. Therefore, we could plan that ships will split up depending on ability with tasks such as creating a distraction, providing cover fire, hacking the area for weak spots that will allow us to infiltrate with minimal fighting. These are just a few starting suggestions.
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Now that is the most useful strategy i have read on these forums, and It is a very good Idea. We should split up for maximum effectivness in the field, But it might be more usefull to have mixed crewmembers in the same group as Each ship will be in communication with each other and would therefore make communication between teams easier.
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Im still not entirely sure how this game is going to work. This is how i see it at the moment. These missions are voluntary, say an ally faction ship is in trouble. So we all jack in, sort the problem out. Done. So then what, if we jack out then the game could become kind of poiontless , no time given to levl up or increase in skill. So what then do we do if there are no missions, if the whole game is based on factions, there will be no one to kill (and there arnt monsters to kill) so can anyone fill me in on what happens?
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Nex: I think that we will be able to free roam Megacity from what's been shown in videos, and the fact that they've built this enormous city. Then, we will come into contact with NPCs from both Zionist and Machinist sides, being able to choose whichever we want. The rest of the roaming time will be spent hopefully PvP-ing so that we can level up. Hopefully they will allow you to use the construct as soon as you are awarded a ship to train and level up.
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From what I've read, you can play the game for a great long time without having to deal with PvP. So, they either have modes you can set, or areas marked, for PvP.
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Hang on, who the hell are the npc machinists? I mean, they are a completely new faction for the Matrix, and there was not one machinist in the films, apart from the agents.
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Now Likwidtek your idea about us shaping MxO by having FA only fight for Peace is a well idealed and commendable plan, but I'm not sure how effective it would be. The reasons for this is let's jsut be relistic for a moment. We can't ever make FULL peace. It's a game that is striving off of the fact that the peace is shaky at best, and soon will come to an end. If we were to become close to causing peace, the game developers would cause some faction of AI machinists to like do something to disrupt it, or like have the machines backstab us or something. But I'm not disagreeing with you on what we should fight for. We SHOULD fight for peace, or atleast first and foremost Zion. Or let's take that and change it to let's fight for the humans. Different definitions right?
I know that no matter what there will always be separatists. But I just think it would be neat to see the desert of the real turn into a populated city again. WITH the help of the machines. As you remember WE are the one’s who caused the war. It was US who drove the machines out. They ONLY wanted to make good business and ally. Originally THEY wanted peace. Ironic.0000000000000000000
How neat would it be to see more to the story… The war with the machines is over. But separatists from each group still want to wage war due to prejudice. I think it would be neat.
For those of you who have not watched the ANIMATRIX I highly suggest that you do so. It’s where I thought of a lot of this. Also.. I just watched the original Matrix movie again last night…
Man it amazes me how awesome that movie is and was. In my opinion it is the best out of all of them. And I think as far as story goes… it would be the most applicable to the game. Just things like the construct (loading program) being able to bring ANYTHING me want into game. Be it guns, bombs, vehicles, computers, money (which is why money is not going to work in the game… information is what is bartered)
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Hang on, who the hell are the npc machinists? I mean, they are a completely new faction for the Matrix, and there was not one machinist in the films, apart from the agents.
Cypher was a machinist. NPC stands for non playable character. So basically the NPC's I can see that will be machinists will be of course agents... and other programs and humans who support their cause.
Now what I am curious to know .... is how many humans will be jacked into the matrix that support the machines.
I am not sure how a hovercraft that has to get to broadcast depth to hack into the matrix will be able to survive without the support and cover of Zion. Not to mention where they got the hovercraft and supplies etc.
This will be interesting to see how the story unfolds.
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If you have seen the animatrix, you will know that the machines developed the hovercraft, and so I suppose that they could qiute easily be able to fix their machinist ships. And cypher didn't really get into the full flow of the machinist movement, and so he didn't really count.
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Excatly likwed I agree with you on this. Except for the part of the macines and human war coming completely to an end. My human side wants it, lol but the gamer side says the game's gonna be corny then so he's struggling saying, "Well...I donno....."
Maybe in our strategy forums we should already start getting to work with possible scenarios and methods of soultion to these. I do think first that each ship should ahve ATLEAST one of each ability tree, because chances are they're going to need that person. Sometimes spies of two shipsare going to have to work together just to infiltrate a building while the crews just watch by. Sometimes we're going to have to beleive them for them, but if things get hairy you know we can throw in a hacker to use the signal code protection, then some soldiers in to kick some butt. This is why I think we should ask everyone in the forum what they would like to be, and what they feel are there general strengths and weaknesses. It will give us a general idea of how many of what we need in a ship, and basically how many ships we'll need, and the different possible attack scenarios that could go down...etc etc.
And if we're a Zionist faction, what's going to be up with the npc machinist and other agencies that aren't zionist? You know I don't think we should "ban" people from doing that, bcuz it'd be extrmely hard and yo'd lose alot of members, but I think we should atleast discourage it ..... maybe?
Also, one last thing. if we're going to be in these crews and factions and whaeer, and we help each other out, no one's ever said about the advancing and upgrading of your character. You know say if you're on a crew and uyou go into a place for some code. Now after you're done, who gets the code...I was wondering if anyone had any thoughts for that...?
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If you have seen the animatrix, you will know that the machines developed the hovercraft
I don't doubt that this is true... but which part in the animatrix supports this?
And cypher didn't really get into the full flow of the machinist movement, and so he didn't really count.
I think what you meant to say is he was not part of an organized machinists movement. Of course not. Because whatever in the story that is supposed to take place that allows groups of humans to separate from Zion, live independently, and take up arms with or for the machines in one way or the other (it’s still not known if the Machines even recognize the human machinist movement), has not happened yet.
That’s why I said it’s going to be interesting to see how the story unfolds to see exactly how this is going to possible.
The problem I see with the machines acknowledging a human ran machinists movement is this: The machines only would use the “help” of the humans if it was something they COULD NOT do. Which like in the first movie, was when they needed cipher to do some actions in the real world. Since this entire game takes place in the matrix and not in the real world… why would the machines need the help of humans?
The answer is they don’t! The machines agreed to the truce. And like the architect said when asked if the oracle had his word, “what am I, human?” Meaning the machines as a singular and collective consciousness agree to the terms of the truce.
THUS, I don’t see ANY humans getting the support of the machines. Meaning, they will have to be some sort of rouge operation… battling not only soldiers of ZION but also the machines.
I think if it were up to the machines… They would just either reinsert their bodies into the matrix or kill them. Less free minds to deal with.
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I dont feel so strongly about defending zion as you guys sem to do, i am going to fight for zion, cos thats what i want to do. As TBone said were all here to have fun and thats what im gonna do.
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I dont feel so strongly about defending zion as you guys sem to do, i am going to fight for zion, cos thats what i want to do. As TBone said were all here to have fun and thats what im gonna do.
What do you mean?
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im sure i posted that in another thread, mayb a bug, it was ment to go tin the thread, What does being a zionist mean to you, it ended up here, i used the quick reply if thats anything to go by.
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Andy and Larry (between the sex change operations) are writing the story, so I'm sure there will be plenty of justification for whichever movement to choose. At this point, it's almost premature to speculate about so much, since everything has the potential to change literally overnight.
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Like Muse mentioned about the honour thing, i think that it would be good if people read a bit about Sun Tzus The Art of War, the samurai thing that Eclipse mentioned is also true. I certainly am not going to take no shit from some jelous punk who thinks he can have me, he insults me, he dies. End of story.
As for being a Zionist it means a lot to the way i play the game, I think that we should try to lead on to what Neo has done at the end of the trilogy and fight for the right reasons. That doesn't nessesarily mean all out war with the machinists, but we should make an effort to prevent them from getting better than us. As for the turf wars thing, that has been implemented in the game anyway, the construct is your turf and thats what you have to defend. So I've heard.
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You should check out the Strategies Forum, there's a topic in there about The Art Of War and brainstorming other good ideas like that.
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The problem with sticking to this way of honor (as commendable as it is), is the environment in which you wish to apply it. If the MxO forums are any indication, there are going to be dozens upon dozens of trash-talking pieces of trash in the game. Timewise, we'd have our hands full paying back every insult. This is even worse than if MxO turns into a giant turf war.
I guess what I'm saying is we will have to endure disrespect and resentment, etc., so we should choose our targets wisely. A single n00b calling someone names is insignificant. Disrespectful factions, however...that's another matter, but it has the potential to be very troublesome and time consuming.
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Thats a good point, but if someone does it to me whilst in game right in front of me then I will beat the proverbial crap out of them.
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Ok, on an individual basis I guess it's not too much of a problem.
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This is the thing though. Likwid said something earlier about someone spitting in your face and walking away. In MxO they aren't going to be spitting in your face, they're going to be shooting at your face. How do we face that? The samuir would walk away from an insult, if it was a small enough one, if it was by a foe he knew he could easily dispatch. But a large enough dishonor would envoke the samuir into battale/ Someone shooting at me is going to get shot back at/
Whether or not we want it to there are going to be turf wars going on in the matrix. There already are. The Zionists against the Machinists, and the minds waiting to be influenced in the middle.
I leave you with what Morpheous said. "This is a war. We are soldiers. Death can come for us at any place, at an time." We have to be aware of that, and aware of the fact that we can't let petty stuff befoul our main focus right now - organization. i think we shud listen to Asha and not make any choices until the game comes out.