The Furious Angels
FA Discussion => Off Topic => Topic started by: Anonymous on May 17, 2004, 02:09:46 pm
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I have just started to read 'Sophie's World' by Jostien Gaarder and all these views have started to pop into my head like, well, poppy things. Anyway, I was just wondering if anyone else had any of those sort of views. Like 'Does Fate exist?' and 'If there really was a big bang, does that mean that at some point something came out of nothing?' I believe that what Socretes said about 'The only thing I know is that I know nothing at all' really shows how little we really know about how everything works. 'Everything that happens has a cause, and that cuase is inherent in everything.'
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I seriously can't say, I went through this stage like 3 months ago, me and my friends started to have philisophical questions and we all discussed them and argued, but then that begs that questions at the end. When you argue your point out does it really matter?
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Go for a Descarte and only believe in things you are entirely certain exist, that there is no way it could be false, if it adheres, believe in it, if it doesn't disregard it.
The only problem is then Descartes gets a bit carried away and starts doubting his senses as he might be being tricked into believing something is real when it really isn't, having his senses shown a falsity by some malicious demon...hm that sounds familiar...
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My very first day of History class in middle school...the teacher asked us to prove that man had walked on the moon. Much chaos ensued. My best school memory ever.
Without getting too philosophical about it, I'm pretty sure the food I ate this morning is real. Cuz I sure am putting on real pounds. :(
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Are those pounds real, or is there simply a mad scientist in a lab telling your brain that you have put on this weight, when really you are a brain in a vat with no body as Peter Unger mused(no pun intended).
gotta love "Matrix and Philosophy" you can spout random crap that makes you feel intelligent
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Draven and uhh Ajax it's funny how you both refer to Descartes' meditations. I was reading a book on philoshpy called Think - a beginners introduction into philosohpy by Simon Blackburn, who's a professor at some college like oxford or soemthing. He mentioned alot at first about Descartes and his meditations. The fact that he began to think that there was an actual "Evil Demon" points to the fact that he was more then likely becoming senile and a little out of his mind. Of course once we state this fact, it's very hard to bring any arguement against it. What can you say? That it's true? How can you support that? That it's false? What evidence do you have to state your claim?
It's all very interesting, and if you go to deep then your mind can comphrehend you can lose it, and very rarely find your way back. Sometimes we have to take things at face value, simply because they are that way and to delve into the matter would not only prove pointless, but tedious and sometimes dangerous. As Descartes, my only rock t stand on is the famous Descartes quote - Cogito Ergo Sum. I thnk therefore I am. I am thinking about this sbject, so somwhere, some dimension, some place or universe, or fabric of time, I'm thinking this thought. They can't stop you from thinking. Your mind is trhe only place freedom really reigns, the only real place of the brave, and land of the free.
To end this reply, it's really funny how often ppl take I think therefore I am to mean soemthing like I think I am a cooker, so I am one. Even though tehy're taking it out of context that it wa originally used and intended for, just goes to show you the power of the mind.
Peace Out
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I have just started to read 'Sophie's World' by Jostien Gaarder and all these views have started to pop into my head like, well, poppy things. Anyway, I was just wondering if anyone else had any of those sort of views. Like 'Does Fate exist?' and 'If there really was a big bang, does that mean that at some point something came out of nothing?' I believe that what Socretes said about 'The only thing I know is that I know nothing at all' really shows how little we really know about how everything works. 'Everything that happens has a cause, and that cuase is inherent in everything.'
Craziness. I've just started reading Sophie's World as well. I must say I'm really into it so far. Part of me always had this simple-minded belief that all of philosophy was completely pointless - my rationale basically being that there is something inherently hypocrytical in sitting back in an armchair and inventing cynical ways to disavow current societal insitutions and mass-beliefs without actively attempting to rectify any cited injustices. Of course, I know that many philosophers did actively attempt to better society, but many did not, instead they merely criticized those who tried.
Though that feeling is still always present, I've come to except a few new beliefs which credit philosophy. I suppose philosophy isn't a waste of time, if only for the reason that we have the ability to sit back and contemplate the meaning of life, the universe and God - so why not make use of it? The ability to question the fabric of life is ultimately what makes us human, so philosophy therefore is a natural course for humanity, and as such justifiable.
And to put it simply...It's just fun to play the game of 'why'.
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Speaking of which, has anybody seen Vanilla Skies? In general, a trippy movie, but recall Kurt Russell's character at the end: he can't believe that he's just a figment of someone else's imagination.
One has to wonder if he ever had a true "sentience," during the time he believed himself to be real, even if that sentience was merely a partitioned portion of someone's dreaming mind.
Makes you wonder... can an instanced character of a dream possess a temporary ego and awareness of himself as an individual being? If so, this breaks down Descartes's primary assertion. What about you? Are you a real individual intelligence, or are you merely a character in someone else's dream?
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Descartes is the way to go. "Cogito ergo sum." The only thing one can know for sure is that one exists. Thus, everything else must be questioned. When we stop questioning, we accept things as they are, and it is then that we become prisoners to our minds.
I think about philisophical stuff all the time. The thing with me though, is I'm a really logical person. As in i figure stuff out by proving it through reasoning methods based on things already thought of. Thus, i've often found my philisophical point of views different than others. The only thing is, I can prove what they say wrong, even if i have no idea that I'm right. What i mean is that things i have been told and taught to believe i have often logically disproved. So for me it has become more of a search for what is not right than what is right, and coming closer through deductive reasoning. Of course, this can always have its limits unless i work like hell to overcome them. I really have no idea if what i just said makes any sense because im tired as hell and type this in a stream of consciousness kinda way (thats how i always am, very stream of consciousness, it pisses my english teacher off) so hopefully you get what im saying.
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I took Philosophy last semester, and it might as well have been Descartes 101. Philosophers have basically come up with a system that allows no one the chance to prove anything. Nothing is real unless you can prove it is real, and since many argue there is no way to prove something is real (since perception can be tampered with), then nothing can be proven. In the end nothing is really accomplished besides a big headache. It's interesting for a while, but it would make more sense if things could actually go somewhere.
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I disagree. There are a number of things that are always real, like the fundamentals of the universe; 2+2=4 and saving a baby from a speeding bus. These facts will always be right. Mathematics will always be right, and in no way can it be properly wrong. And saving a baby from a bus is always going to be the right thing to do. Even if you knew that that baby would grow up into a terrible human being, would you still save it? I know that if I was given the choice, I would. I think it was Socrates who said 'A man who knows what is right will always do the right thing.' He believed that no one can be happy unless he does what he believes is right deep down. And so he believed that the more he knew, the more he knew would know what is right, and therefore the happier he would be. None would choose to be unhappy, would they?
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I liked the cynics retort to Descartes First Meditation( in which he says that nothing is true unless you can prove for certain it exists) which is "Are you certain something has to be certain?" or something like that.
And was Descartes insane, or overly sane?
If the Matrix, or something like Unger, Therman or Descartes visions of the world were real, then he'd be the only one not insane.
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"I disagree. There are a number of things that are always real, like the fundamentals of the universe; 2+2=4 and saving a baby from a speeding bus."
I see this as a problem.. We are humans, and see the world and the universe as we can. How did that puzzle thing start? Something about humans who have been taught to see the world the way they do never can see it differently. Now, this doesnt mean 2+2 doesnt become 4. But a lot of other things.. Different universes? Worlds in different universes or whatever that works in a different way than the laws of gravity and light and such...
How could we know?
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Well, not to get too religious or anything, but what about God? Now let's not debate about whether the entity known as The Alpha and the Omega exists, but skip right to an assumption that he does exist. This is all hypothetical thinking of course so please just bear with me. I think Soma will appreciate this since he likes logic. If God is god, and being that he's all powerful, then 2+2 would only equal 4 if he said it to be. If we were to do the converse of this statement to try and figure it out, (the converse is the Q-->P) it would be 2+2 would only equal 4 if he is all powerful and God is God. That makes sense. All we're doing here is going from the back of the sentence to prove it, using uncommon common knowledge to solve the problem.
The point I'm trying to prove is if there was a God, then he can manipulate the laws of mathematics, and the laws of relativity, and all of the laws that we hold dear and govern ourselves by. Of course if there is no God, what made these rules? What causes these....."occurences"?
LOL not to get to deep. Like I said it's really hard to contemplate these things. All we'll end up is with losing our minds because we won't be able to beleive that the person next to us is real, and we'll become cynical and crazy. Like I said b4, we have to take some things at face value, only because that's the way they are.
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Incorporating metaphysics into a philisophical argument is tough. In my eyes, mathematics is the one true aspect of the universe. Even if our walls came tumbling down, and the world around us was proven false, mathematics are still correct. They're the only factual aspect of science that is independent of the need to be proven.
Everything in this universe someone could quantify with mathematics. Now the mathematic perception CAN be proven wrong, however the system of mathematics remains true. In fact, scientists have relied on mathematics as the primary form of communication with would-be extra terrestrials. If anything, they know that aliens would understand mathematics because it's a system that everyone uses regardless of their origins.
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That makes me curious..
How do they do maths with aliens? We use our numbers, radiosignals or whatever...but they?
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Most likely math would remain the same, but they'd be using a different system other than base 10. It could get pretty weird.
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It's not so much that they use the same symbols, but that one is always one, even if you call it bork. Mathematics is a pretty root fundamental of every civilization.
I have one stone blade, he has two. He has more than me.
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How do we say that to the aliens? I mean if we want to communicate...
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How do we say that to the aliens? I mean if we want to communicate...
Aside from the potential language barrier, I'd assume it'd relatively similar to what Asha was describing.
I have more inter-galatic warships than he does. I have the advantage.
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Talking bout aliens, I think it's an area of philosophy called Idealism, which has always fascinated me.
It's to do with sensory perception, what if an alien had no sense of smell, had no sense of taste, did not see, could not feel, what would an orange be to him?
When you take away all those characteristics, what is an orange?
If you can't see it, it's not a round fruit, if you can't taste or smell it, it's not citrusy and fruity and whatever, etc, etc, what is an orange?
There is no orange, shit, I should really stop watching that film.
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lol u seem to forget one thing, their technology is WAY more adv than ours, so their mathamatics wouldn't be close to base 10, let alone 1 being bork or 1 in their language, their prob be able to make graphs into the 5th and 6th dimension, so im pretty sure 1 isnt 1.
Zink
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Going back to the big bang theory I have had my own idea. Perhaps there was something, a race that existed many eons before we could even concieve it and these people were incredibly advanced. And then they found a way of looking into the future, or they created something of titanic destructive capabilities and that is what created the Big Bang.
As for the Americans landing on the Moon I don't think that it actually happened and that it was some sort of propaganda. It is competely fake for two reasons:
1. The flag is blowing around in the wind when there is no atmosphere on the moon and therefore no wind should be blowing.
2. There are no stars in the sky yet on the moon there is perfect visability and they should be the most briliant picture of stars seen at that time.
The other reason is that when you speed the tape up of Neil Armstrong bounding along its just him jumping normally. As far as I am concerned it was just for propaganda.
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Another idea I had is this. We look upon ants as creatures of no significance, we don't help them, they don't help us although sometimes people stamp on them send water down their ant holes or poisen them. Did we ever think that there is something that percieves us in the same manner, that creates disasters, thats poisens us. But then sometimes we help the ants, and then maybe we get helped by these greater entities. Ants do not recognise us and arn't smart enough to realise we are here. Well maybe we aren't smart enough to realise that there is somethijng else there apart from us.
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Zink, this one is so off base something needs to be said. Who's "they?" Do you KNOW some aliens, have they clued you into their mathematics system?
You mention other dimensions as well, do you want to quantify those for us? Let me know what your tricorder readings are showing.
If extra-terrestrials (I don't believe in such a thing, religious beliefs, and it isn't up for debate) exist, and they use complex mathematics that extend into 3 or more dimensions, they'll still have a root. All dimensions, even an infinite amount, all come to a single point. Planes X, Y, and Z all meet at a single point in the universe. That being said, regardless of whether their system is more complex, that complexity is built off of the same simple logic we use.
Governing dyanamics, an example below: (highlight to read)
(http://www.deas.harvard.edu/brenner/taylor/handouts/waterbell/img23.gif)
That's a complex formula, describing: surface tension force, gravitational force, centrifugal force, and pressure force. All very complex variables and none of which being expressed by a single number. At the root of it, is still the number one. This equation is an expression of all three dimensions, and several other contributing variables; but at it's heart, is still the base 10 system we use everyday.
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Speaking of the purpose of the Big Bang, I'm running a Modern d20 game with my friends that spans modern, futuristic, and medieval settings (trust me, it makes perfect sense).
What they're going to discover at some point down the road is that the ancient and powerful alien relics they discover on their travels were left behind by an ancient race of beings on thousands of planets so that other sentient life might have a glimpse of a chance to resist a terrible entity.
According to my storyline, this ancient race (haven't named them yet) were incredibly powerful, wise, and intelligent, possessing abilities such as manipulating gravity fields, various dimensions, and even (to a small extent) destiny itself. They discover a supermassive black hole in the exact center of the universe, which they name the Charybdis Void. They discover that the Void will eventually collapse the universe, and it would be better to allow the universe to keep expanding, so they collapse the event horizon, and negate the gravity well, exposing the naked singularity at the center.
But there is something within the Charybdis Void, something so terrible in essence that the mere sight of it (or as much as they can view, since it spans dimensions and seems to break several physical laws) drives any sentient being mad. This thing (named the Devourer) possesses a sentience as well, and begins to spread across the universe, engulfing galaxies and star systems and extinguishing existence where it extends. It sends its "children" ahead of it, to pave its way. Its spawn are called the Terror, and plunge themselves into suns, absorbing the core as they incubate. They then unfurl their black wings, ripping the star apart, creating supernovas in their wake.
Anyway, what the ancient race realized was that the universe was no mere cosmic accident. It was created for one sole purpose: to be a prison for the Devourer, encaged in the Charybdis Void. It's a small pinched off piece of a larger reality, and all sentient life which emerge during the course of its existence are inconsequential and insignificant.
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That sounds really cool Cat, you obviously have a very imaginative mind. Would it be possible for me to join this game, perhaps as a lone wanderer or something. Up to you.
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Wow, thats cool :)
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Thanks! I do have to admit I borrowed a few ideas from Simon R. Green's Deathstalker (about the Terror mostly).
Unfortunately, I'm running this as a pen and paper RPG, not online. It's also tailored especially for my group. I made the three who were playing start off playing themselves present day present location. I hurled some messed up crap at them, like laws of reality breaking down, those around them being driven mad and turned into horrible zombie-like creatures (think Silent Hill or Hellraiser). They eventually "wake up," and discover they've been participating in a VR system called the Transmigration Project, created by their "real" characters as a means of training AI constructs and getting them used to three-dimensional reality, human beings, and other stuff. They are the only real people in the system; everyone else is a construct.
The thing is, the Transmigration core (along with the rest of the computer systems on Fenris Station, the research station they're on) has been infected with a digital contaminant which is driving AI constructs insane. I play a special construct called Calico, who infiltrates the Transmigration core, possesses a construct near the characters (which happens to be "me"), and gets them out. Unfortunately, I bypass all safety parameters when jacking out, so they don't recall any of their actual lives. Their real memories, skills, and personalities are suppressed, so they only have the memories of the characters they have been playing inside the system.
The same thing happens to me (Calico). I get imprinted with the personality of the construct I possessed ("me"), upon exit.
So, like I said, specifically tailored for this group. If you want to hear more, I can start a new thread, rather than hijacking this one (apologies to Ajax).
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Heh, I have always wanted to be in a role play that just goes on but no one I know ever really wants to do it or has the motivation. I used to play a bit of D&D but that was just minor, so right now I am really interested in getting into an ongoing role-play. The problem with Matrix ones is that they can be very limiting, but if you really wanted to you could get a good story going I guess.
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Hey, I'm just as interested as teh rest of us. And although I said that this was a philosophy thread, there is nothing more philosophical than the imagination. Please add more if you want to. We are all here to learn.
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Cool. In that case, I suppose I'll expand on a few things in my game.
For convenience, since I don't have a name for that ancient race, I'll call them the Xelototh after an Eternal Darkness elder god (damn that was a great game).
The Devourer kept on expanding, spreading across the universe, eating it from the inside out. The Xelototh saw something had to be done, so they returned from the edge of the universe to oppose the horror they had awakened.
They realized they had to seal it away, at least temporarily, but they didn't have the means to create such a seal. They did, however, have a means to create the means to create such a seal. Through a tremendous effort, they combined their minds into a race-wide super-gestalt, a concert of raw mental energy, which they used to alter the fabric of reality. This took a harsh toll, as more than three-fourths of them were wiped out from the incredible strain, blasted out of existence itself.
The effort and sacrifice were worth it. The Xelototh had created something which mankind would call the Reality Elastic (or RE) Gradient.
The RE Gradient is a "field" which extends across space-time. The principle is thus: a large population located in an area of space, believing in a system of manipulating reality over a long enough time will wear into the RE Gradient, effectively allowing their beliefs to become reality. For example, if a planet-wide population believes magic (practiced in a certain, consistent manner) exists and can alter reality, over a long enough time the RE Gradient in the space around the planet will change, allowing their system of magic to become reality, an authentic way to manipulate reality. Note that the level of the RE Gradient indicates how easily reality can be manipulated. The method of manipulation can't be read with sensors.
Naturally, the Xelototh, being the creators of the RE Gradient, could make far more use of it than man ever would. They used this to twist space and time, sealing the Devourer and its children with a fragment of space-time from before the Devourer was even freed. It's like a band-aid for space-time, taken from an age before the Devourer was released.
The seal would hold for eons, but not forever. The toll for such an act was enormous. In order to achieve such a work, they sacrificed their longevity. They were dying. Yet they wanted to give the life forms that would follow a fighting chance against the Devourer, when it eventually escaped.
The Xelototh used their final few centuries of life traveling the universe, altering destiny in planetary systems yet to be formed, creating the faint possibility of life and intelligence. They looked into future timelines, found planets that had the highest chance of housing life, and sent through time artifacts that would help defend and nurture these creatures.
These relics came in pairs: the Anima and Animus relics. Their forms shifted, always different depending on the observer, yet each held the soul of a Xelototh mystic.
The Animus Relics were offensive in nature, meant to counter-act the Terror, should they come to the system. They radiate Anti-Logic fields, which break down probability. This is actually just another utilization of the RE Gradient, a very similar energy to what the Terror use to destroy life in the star systems they visit. Armed with Anti-Logic projection, the Animus Relics can counter an Anti-Logic wave released by the Terror with a Anti-Logic wave of their own. Additionally, it is hoped that focusing such energy at one of the Terror after it has entered the system's star would destroy it completely, or at least cause it to enter a stasis.
The Anima Relics are charged with the purpose of changing species which come in contact with it. The change is meant to increase the creatures' potential a thousand-fold, and possibly give them a means in which they could fight or survive the Devourer.
Well, that's all for tonight. Yet to come: the creation and purpose of the Crystallinus Vesperas (Void Spiders) and the Megaterra Borealis (a spacial form of whale, ancestors to whales on Earth and other planets).
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Cat hands down that is one great hot ass roleplay good job bro :)
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Thanks. Took me forever to gather the ideas together, though.
Continuing on...
Eons passed. Life began to spring up across billions of worlds throughout the universe. Most of these species died, either through cataclysmic planet-killing disasters, through biological extinction, or through warfare. Of the few thousand which remained, some grew incredibly intelligent, and made contact with the Relics on their worlds. Within the Anima Relics these species were changed, augmented, made more than the sum of their parts. All who underwent transformation knew of the Terror, and the horror which lurked even behind them. Thus, most who were changed chose new forms for battle, for survival, in hopes of doing battle, and maybe even repulsing the threat to come. Some were able to breach the fabric of the universe itself, escaping into some unknown dimension. Others, overcome by the horror they and their descendants faced, simply willed themselves out of existence.
Two species on twin worlds, however, knew better. They knew this involved Life as a whole, not one individual world, not one individual race. These beings entered the Relic with a plan in mind...and thus the ancestors to the Megaterra Borealis and the Crystallinus Vesperas (Void Spiders) were born.
The Megaterra appear as a spatial species of whale, and began to gather asteroids and meteors throughout the star system and gather them together in a spherical pattern around the system's inner planets. The Void Spiders traveled to this new asteroid belt, and began weaving threads of a complex form of plasma between the asteroids, creating a shimmering sphere-shaped web. The plasma forming the base of their webbing is elastic in nature, able to stretch very very far. Its state is such that it traps any Terror which tries to bypass it. Once trapped, the Void Spiders pounce on their prey, and metabolize it. The webbing is invisible to the human eye, and can only be detected by advanced sensors. The two species left their star system, traveling from system to system repeating the process, in hopes of creating havens where life could flourish without fear of destruction. Of course, they visited planets as well, leaving their own offspring, which would mutate and adapt to these new worlds. Thus, spider and whale-like species can be found on many planets throughout our galaxy.
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Here is the entry for Void Spiders in the OC (Orion Combine) database.
Void Spiders (crystallinus vesperas)
Void Spiders were first discovered in the Corrin system of the Teterach sector, a binary star system with three asteroid belts. The spiders can range from 50 to 100 meters in length. They extend into at least two other dimensions, and are hard to scan using current technology. They are spatial, and make their habitat in asteroid belts in solar systems. It is not known how they travel from system to system, and some scientists suspect their transportation method may be similar to that of the Megaterra Borealis. All Void Spiders are albino and semi-transparent.
Void Spiders weave webs between asteroids. The webbing is quite elastic in nature, and can stretch quite a ways before snapping. The webbing itself is made out of a semi-solid plasma form of Alconite crystal, and it is suspected that Void Spiders are the source of all Alconite crystal. The webs are too big for trapping skrill, and species of Megaterra have not been known to frequent asteroid belts, so the prey of the Void Spiders is yet unknown. It may be some kind of creature which does not exist in our dimension.
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Here is the entry for Megaterra Borealis in the OC (Orion Combine) database.
Megaterra Borealis
A spatial lifeform resembling a large whale. These were the first spatial beings discovered by humans. They can survive in vacuum, and seem to swim through vacuum as their counterparts do in the ocean. The presence of whale-like animals on other planets, and the widespread sightings of Megaterra throughout the OC suggests that their species are all interrelated. Upon formation of the OC, Megaterra hunting was outlawed, yet Megaterra skin, meat, and eyes continue to fetch a high price in the black market. Megaterra prey on skrill, spatial shrimp-like creatures which draw their energy from the sun and dust particles in space. Megaterra don't seem to be alarmed by passing ships, and often ride the energy wake left in their trail. They have been seen traveling in pods or alone, though pod population usually tends to be 6 or less. It is unknown how Megaterra are able to travel between star systems. This mystery is augmented by the fact that tagged Megaterra have been observed at different star systems within a short period of time, suggesting they are capable of FTL travel. However, no one has ever seen Megaterra exceed sublight speed, and no Megaterra have ever been found outside of star systems.
Skrill
Spatial shrimp like creatures which draw their energy from solar and ambient radiation, as well as spatial dust. They sometimes attach themselves to ships which get too close, slowly metabolizing the hull. To prevent this phenomenon, which could lead to hull breaches, OC ships polarize their hulls upon spatial entry.
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Here is the entry for Alconite Crystal in the OC (Orion Combine) database.
Alconite Crystal
The main energy source used by the OC. It is transluscent purple, with black at its center. It continually pulses purple, and low-current purple electricity shimmers just beneath its surface every few seconds. Alconite curiously appears to be a natural crystal found on many planets throughout the OC. Indeed, it does seem to grow, expand itself. However, in one of his exploration missions Cygnus (one of the four first AI constructs) discovered Void Spiders, a spatial lifeform which appear to be giant spiders which can somehow survive in a vacuum. They make their home in asteroid fields, and their "webs" were found to be a semi-solid plasma version of Alconite. Over time, these webs collapse, and deposit themselves across asteroids in the field. Over time, they solidify to Alconite crystal. This evidence suggests that everywhere Alconite has been discovered, Void Spiders have once inhabited the system. Indeed, heavy concentrations of Alconite crystal were discovered in the Gaian asteroid belt between Mars and Jupiter
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That's enough for tonight. Next time (provided nobody complains), I'll go over the creation of true AI (The Chronos Incident), the discovery and harnessing of the RE Gradient (resulting in psychocreative ability (PCR)), and the nature of artificial intelligence.
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Cool man, you seem very dedicated to your works. And this is a role-play? That is a massive role-play.
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I wanted to put a lot of thought and back story into this. I drew from my own ideas, from ideas from books I've read, movies I've watched, anime I've seen, dreams I've had, etc. I put all of that into a big box and shook it up, and started arranging what I pulled out.
It actually started when a friend of mine suggested she wanted to participate in an RPG....something combining fantasy and science fiction. I have some D&D experience. I had started a game last year with lots of detail, so I decided to start forming the concept of the new game by drawing on the strengths of the old. Over time (I've had months to think about this), I kept coming up with new cool ideas, and refining old ones. I finally decided D&D wouldn't be able to contain this, so I researched some other RPG systems. GURPS was cool, but too complex for some of the new players, so I decided to go with D20 Modern, and add on my own rules. I'm still in the process of creating an effective rule system for psychocreativity and types of arcane manipulation, as well as an intense martial arts system.
Of course, the one rule I stick with throughout the sessions we've had is "if it gets in the way of having fun, I'll just ignore it." Some rules just get in the way at the time, and my primary goal is for the players to have fun and engage themselves in the story. Some sessions we don't even roll a single die.
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Sounds like a lot of fun, I really need to do something like that over here. Tyshale was going to start one like that but I don't know where he is now. He hasn't been active for a long time now.
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I hope he gets that going. I'll be done with this quarter in just a week or two, and everything I've seen from him makes me think it's going to be great.
By the way, if anybody wants to draw from these ideas, to incorporate or modify for their own RPG or whatever, feel free. Most of my ideas came from mixing and matching cool ideas I came across, so I figure it's my turn to contribute.