The Furious Angels
FA Discussion => General => Topic started by: Anonymous on April 05, 2005, 09:06:35 am
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http://forums.pimprig.com/showthread.php?threadid=40038
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I say we upgrade our riddles to harder ones :D I have a few ni impossible ones *evil_grin*
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Well :) The internet is too big for us to police and you can never stop people from asking their RL friends for help.. The challenge is a challenge.. some people will try, some will succeed on their own, some will succeed with help and others will quit and fail. It's a good thing there's a thorough interview process following the challenge... and based on the numbers Tbone gave me last night, only .3% of people who have tried the challenge have succeeded. The world won't end and we'll know the jagoffs from the non-jagoffs.. afterall, they let me and you in :P
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I know it is, but that does not mean we can't make the lives of those that seek outside help a lil harder now does it? Bombard them with tough questions at the interview, like who are you and what does your daddy do? :)
j/k, it's just that, being one of those 3% folks, kinda annoys me that others may be granted the privilege of an interview, based on THAT challenge that is supposed to be taken alone.
If I was to gather a group of people, brainstorm for answers to our riddles, well, would that be a challenge?
But I digress, I just found the site, I'll leave to those responsible for recruiting to do as they see fit.
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afterall, they let me and you in :P
werd! :D
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I've also been bombarded in-game and in the RFZ IRC channel with questions. Of course I give no answers (mainly because I have not yet tackled the new challenge and do not know what it even looks like yet.) I usually give them the usual vague and general spiel, encourage them, point them to the bluepill boards and wish them luck.
Its only natural that this path will remain "secure" for a limited time before we'll need to insert new components. Some that complete the path, but are turned down after the interview, will no doubt try to compromise the security of the process. The process is not fool proof and there is really no way for us to keep people from seeking outside help. However, if a few dishonest people slip through the cracks, their deceptiveness will soon reveal itself to us and they can be converted from Furious Angel to fallen angel.
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It's not 3%, it's .3% :)
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Although its my humble opinion, I think that this guy who thought of getting help on a puzzle is not bad...(as long as he is willing to ADMIT he needed help)
After all, have you ever called on a coder for good clothing, or a few higher level FA to help you out at a HL with hostiles, or even people just to level with?
He got help with a puzzle...More importantly, he is solving the puzzle. People able to solve puzzles on their own are wanted...but people who are resourceful and can use alternatives to solving things...they are my kind of people...Battles are won with resourcefulness....More Battles are never fought from using it wisely...
But honesty...he must be willing he admit he needed help with it.
just my $ .02
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I agree with Yoda to a certain point. However, when, in this specific challenge, we clearly tell people that this is a path that they must travel alone, then I think that is how they should handle it.......alone.
The only battle here is with one's own mind and that is a battle the one MUST fight alone. If other people are doing the thinking for them, then it is not their own mental abilities/growth that get them through the challenge.
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like we did with all puzzles, if you had help with it, it means your not worthy of this clan, at least back in the day, i remember a time when if you got help you couldnt join the clan, dont know if thats still in effect? i say if they need help with it, maybe their just not worthy?
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Alone, this challenge you must face.
Your own battle, it is.
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getting help with puzzles makes you not worthy to be in the clan? Uh oh :P It took three of us back in the day to work through the original challenge, but I'm the only one of the three that got in/stayed.
hehe.
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Who submitted that question anyway?
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lol i took the challenge by myself and completed it, and if i can complete shit anyone can.
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I'd just like to say those guys are really slow.
Maybe I just think that because I've seen 64bit before.
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Just din't let anyone with the name Mercenary or something like it in. Others like him make me sick.
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Just an FYI. It'd be interesting to ask each and every potential that gets past the challenge, at the interview, the origins of their name. It may actually give you alot of insight into that person's thought process.
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I understand what you guys are saying, but to be honest, I think this puzzle is a little too tough to expect the average person to know...i mean 64 and other bit coding...c'mon...
I don't mind the puzzles where the answer is there, you just have to look, think and try things out all the time...no problems there.
But when you are asking a person (who could be only 15 or 16 OR LESS!) to know code and/or Latin and stuff....it would have driven me to looking for help, anyways.
again, my $.02
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thats the power of the internet and google, you dont need to know latin, let alone unless im mistaken i thought we werent accepting anyone lower than 18, hey i might be wrong, i just remember the last time we had a bunch of kids running around, and they ddi was bitch and complain.
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....and that is why the Furious Angels isn't for everyone. I think the decision to implement this challenge as it is, is one of the best methods of screening applicants that I've seen ever. I'm sure we'll miss out on a few potentially good members this way, but this will also help to weed out potentially unfit members. Its all part of the process.
....and yes, I've run a few clans/PAs/organizations for games and an MMO, so I do speak from a little experience.
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I think we should just join pimprig to tell mercenary and mcnubbins what we think of this. What do you guys think. Or we could get Tbone to join and give him the no from the man himself.
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Hey, I'm 16 Zink :P
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He has been identified with multiple accounts.
Questions changed, and his account will be set to a section where he cannot proceed.
Oh, I am mean aren't I?
The warnings are there, he just messed up his own chances, and messed up other peoples questions.
Oh well, too bad!
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Ah! Well done Ket! :D
Here are my points of view about this matter, for those that might care;
The path, as far as I know (that is the way I see it) as two purposes, to gather attention towards the Furious Angels, capturing the bluepills on the FA's background, who we are and what we stand for (hey! can actually say "we" now! eheh) bringing fresh blood to our ranks AND the screening process.
If one of the reasons for the Challenge to exist is in fact the screening process, then, how can we make that if the users bypass that by seeking outside help to SOLVE the riddles for them?
Personally I agree to what Yoda said about "being resourceful" but, only to an extent. One thing is to be resourceful, know how to look, how to search, how to understand, the other is just by posting a riddle on a random forum and asking "hey can anyone solve this for me?".
He does not say, "Someone said it was base64 and I cracked it" he says “someone cracked it for me, it was base64".
Of course we can't hunt down every bluepill, we can't search every forum on the internet, but I believe we can set examples like Ket just did.
The Path is yours and yours only. That is the way, right? That’s how I took it, but I am too stubborn and too proud to seek someone to solve the riddles for me. Seek hints? I did that, at the bluepill forums, that's what they are for.
Like some may have already heard me talking about, my best friend is going through the challenge. Here is the list of hints I gave him so far: "Follow the Angel", "seek help @ bluepill.followtheangel.org" and that's it. Nothing else.
I really don't want to sound, how should I put this, neither conceited nor arrogant by saying this but, I feel, I really do, that to be granted an interview, you have to EARN the privilege, if you want to be a part of FA you will have to work for it!
And again, not wanting to sound conceited, I earned my interview, and I worked to be a part of something that is special to me and I know it's special to you all.
If someone gains access to the interview because someone else solved most of the riddles for them, are they worthy of the FA tag?
Later on, if the Live team makes a riddle that we'll have to solve in order to progress or follow to the next step of a certain event, what will that person do? Go to a random forum asking "hey I play this game, MxO they have this riddle, help me out?"
Like it as already been said, eventually all the riddles will be known, because we have no way to stop people from sharing information, but imho, if it came to our knowledge that a certain user as "cheated" their way to the end of the quest, we should take action.
My 0.2
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At the end of the day, the interview still shows us how they progressed.
We can double check their path details against the interview details.
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im not saying ppl under 18 are bad, acid your teh ub3r l33t, but you remember all those players we use to have that got kicked out because all they did was complain about this and that, it was annoying,
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zink, for as long as i've been here, we've never had an age requirement or kicked anyone because of age. number one reason people have been kicked is due to inactivity, and next maturity. maturity does not equal age. we've kicked just as many people above 18 as below 18 for them being immature.
i'm very tempted to reply, cuz it just annoys me to no end when someone solves something for you. it would be different if they just gave them the code to decrypt the messages, instead of just answering. i'm thinking a reply such as this?
## Broadcast depth
## Incoming Transmission...
## GrimKitten // HvCFT Carpe Diem
## RELAY Initialized
The Angels are watching. Be wary of what you make public. Your path is yours and yours alone. Be warned that allowing others to do work assigned specifically to you will severely impact your chance at earning your own wings. If you need guidance on your path, others following similar paths may be of more ethical help. This line is not secure. Please cease transmisisons and continue at http://bluepill.followtheangel.org/
## End Transmission...
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Definately. We should send that to their email. Include the fact that we have tracked down information leaks that were traced back to them.
I'm sure we can figure out who this guy is by who solved that particular question at that particular day. Plus, i think he posted his next question.
If we can't figure it out, then lets sign up with that website and use the "Send message via email" option to that user.
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How about just perma-lockout?
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i think it would be wiser to actually post on that board. not only will it be more intimidating, but it will show them that no matter where they go, we will find them. there was a second person asking for help there as well, so kill two birds with one stone
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I like Grim's idea very much. It will serve as a warning and add to the mystique of the Angels
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oh oh! I like that idea Grim :D
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hmmmn, lets leave that one now, could be dying, I don't like bumping when they do that.
Questions have been changed, so anyone finding this will not be helped.