The Furious Angels
FA Discussion => General => Topic started by: Anonymous on April 17, 2005, 01:36:01 am
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Yeah so apparently Warriors of the Awakened merged with Sacred Order... Kotar, the ex-leader of WotA seems to have some repressed anger....
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Suprisingly the Jokerz were trying to defend us from our own allies.... These clowns are supposed to be our allies? I say fuckem.
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Fuck em if they want to act like that. Bullshit if they ask for my help ever again.
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Kotar seems like a real jerk. It's sad to see people say these kinds of things but at the same time it's expected when you're the big dog. One thing I've learned in life is: "If you push your head above the crowd, you're going to get tomatos thrown at you."
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Why are we still whining about what people say to or about us. As long as its not true or we haven't put ourselves in a compromising light, why get all bent about it? There has to be a limit to how much we're gonna cry about this already. We can't go around kicking attitude and trying to kick everyone's ass because they said something about us you didn't like. This is starting to get a little old and childish. They're not gonna let it go until they cease to get a reaction out of us so let it drop already.
I swear some of us act like we're not aware of what "life" on the internet is like and especially in MMOs. People are going to talk alot of shit and be assholes because they can. Unfortunately, they seem to be in the majority. Get used to it, deal with it and don't be the same way otherwise you just show yourself to be a fucking hypocrite. There isn't much more that we can do. What was said in those screenshot is no worse that what' I've heard on TS. So why shouldn't they talk about us the same? Because we're FA? What does that mean? We've done nothing yet, to prove that we actually ARE above the rest of these factions. The tolken gesture here and there isn't going to cut it. It has to be a consistant code of conduct.
The top dogs of FA are doing their best to keep things under control and to help FA regain their respect and dignity. I think we owe them to fall in line with what they are trying to do. This should not only be for show to the community, but be how we conduct ourselves internally as well.
Its starting to get to the point that I don't want to get on TS anymore and listen to people whine and spout a bunch of arrogant bullshit because someone said something about FA. If we pride ourselves on being mature, maybe our actions in game as well as our speech in TS should reflect this.
Thank you for listening to my brief rant. I feel better now. :-)
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Phienyx I agree with most of that, when people message me in game trying to get a rise out of me, i give them no response of any kind for the most part... today when Kotar was saying these things, I sad 2 things to him.... 1) we don't exploit - when he called FA exploiters, 2) does it look like i care - when he said he was talking to me
I get numerous taunts each day from people like psycidelicos and then instances like this, so im used to it... i hardly read the forums anymore and i never post in them at all anymore.
The reason this particular thing made me so upset is because this guy, these guys are SUPPOSED to be our allies, our in-game friends not our enemies, not people who accuse us of exploiting and ruining the community. Even if it is kotar's own personal opinion, he should have the decency to not brand us the way he did in a public way like that... mara central of all places.
Yeah im tired of bitching and complaining about the same shit over and over... but you know what? im even more tired of hearing the same flames day in and day out... especially not from our own "allies".
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Gabes got a point and I'm sure the issue will be raised with solis. I have a doubt that this guy represents their intentions and is just one of the lose cannons. You know you can't be all right when Psy thinks what you're saying is good and in the end as many people defended us in that conversation as those who aggred so its not all that bad. I think other people have had issues with Kotar in the past and it isn't much surprise to see his name pop back up as this guys got his issues.
Gabe has a point we should be able to trust our allies not to smear us but in the long run we'll keep doing what we're doing and weather our enemies think we exploited or achieved our goals on our own merits, they will still fear our presence.
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Allies means only that our two factions work toward the same goals, at times. This doesn't make them our best buddies or require that they even like us. What they say about us is insignificant to the overall goal. Do you really think Morpheus, Neo, Trinity or any other character in the movies were running around kicking ass and bitching and moaning because of what someone said about them? Come on, this is an RPG. Get your game on and stop taking everything so personally. I don't even think some of our female members are as sensitive as some of us males are acting.
Sure, I get tired of hearing crap talked about FA too, but I'm not gonna let it get to me. I know i am mentally strong enough to withstand shit like that without having to respond or react to it. Every time one of us reacts to things that are said about us, we become their puppets. People like that just enjoy seeing people react. Don't give them the pleasure.
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Fellow factions have the same goals but allies and this is what we are supposed to be, back each other up and this guy has done the reverse. Again Gabe has a point but I'm sure that this guy doesn't represent the whole group just a lose end. This falls into a Tbone category of talking to solis on it and I'm sure he'll jump when he’s got the time. Agreed we don't need to get bent out of shape and usually responding doesn't lead to anything but more aggravation. I'm sure Gabe isn't going to lose any sleep but we also don't need one of the Zionist factions we are allied with doing this. Its good to know this is going on so we can see were everyone stands but beyond that I wouldn't sweat it.
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I just talked with Kotar on TS for a good two hours...
Kotar is a part of this "Zionist Alliance", a group of people who we've been working closely with and who I've considered friends. The "Zion Alliance" thing voted and decided to blacklist FA. They did this without talking to me about it. Their plan was to send me an email typed up explaining what they had decided to do. Kotar has a problem with Gabriel. That's why he is preaching out against FA. DaPharmer is a part of this alliance. Something happened between him and an FA and that is why he has a chip on his shoulder.
The following factions has agreed to blacklist us:
The Sacred Order
Illuminati
The Kindred
Warriors of the Awakened
Children of the Code
Risen Triad
I started out by cussing out Kotar. I was pissed - he started by blaming us for ruining Zion and Zion's chances at the event. I had had enough. Called him all kinds of names. I calmed down (as I always do) and we talked things out. I've pretty much convinced him that they're doing things wrong, and he seems to agree that there's been misunderstandings. I'm supposed to talk with the "alliance" or whatever sometime soon (Kotar is going to arrange it) even though I really don't feel like it. I'd rather talk with them one-on-one instead of facing a firing squad. At this point I feel it is really not worth it. I feel like we've been stabbed in the back. My weak spot has always been too much mercy, though, so instead of writing them off, I want to try to fix the situation.
This is the reason we are not a part of this "alliance". I pressed the "Zion Relay", simply a place where Zionists could trade info. They couldn't leave it at that and formed an inner circle of it called some sort of "alliance". They consider it to be like the UN. Essentially they feel we aren't popular anymore, and if you're not popular, you can't hang out with the cool kids.
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i've never wanted to go machinist more than i do at this very moment....
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So they want to build a tree house, tell scary stories to each other with their flashlights on, look at pr0n and talk about that cool chick at school that a FA exploiter took to the prom?
pffft, I couldn't care less... it's sad, to be stabed on the back like that, but really, we as a group, are better (and I don't mean in lvls, or MxO knowledge, I mean as persons) than all of them, so, I JUST DO NOT CARE!
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hehehe .. the Jokerz were defending us ... hehehe ...
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thats because the jokerz are awsome.
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I could really care less. For all I care, they can have their little circle jerk group. We don't really need that. We can just as easily develop our own sources of information and operate alone. It would be nice to have allies, but if they are going to "blacklist" us over some dumb shit, then so be it. As it appears, we are being forced to follow that FA backstory of being kind of a faction unto ourselves where people underestimate the effect we have on the "war" and really know little of what we do. I kinda like it like that. Its lends to the whole mystique of the Furious Angels. Our name is known. Let us fade into the shadows and do our own thing when its needed. If we do this with the right attitude, people will know that we can and should be called on to help when the shit hits the fan and won't purposely try to exclude us. Let our skill, influence, behavior and numbers speak for itself. If we really need to verbally defend FA, we've done something wrong somewhere along the line, even if its merely being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
However, Tbone, when you go to talk to these....people, I hope you are allowed to bring a little "back up" for support.
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So... basically... They're the UN... and.. We are... The United States... makes sense...
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Neg., venlar. They are George Bush. We are U.S... you were... half right.
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Nah... they seem like france on the UN
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Oh ya... and whatever you do TBone... dont go making accusations that we have to rally together because the mervs have WMDs... its not gonna work =p
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Essentially they feel we aren't popular anymore, and if you're not popular, you can't hang out with the cool kids.
So let's be pro-active here, and make ourselves into the cool kids again.
Turn the tables on them, if you will, so they'll be the ones who are shut out.
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Wait so that shit Solis said about give my regards to tbone last night to Broin was bullshit??? Im never trusting what that ass says ever again.
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One answer to all of this, just like Gab said: FUCKEM!!!! Hell, Jokerz have more respect for us than all of those flaming so-called allies of ours have combine...
AHHH! This pisses me offf!!! AHHH!!!!
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Do the NPCs ever answer when we /tell them?
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did our "allies" even help us anyway? I remember when I was in the illuminati I was one of just about 3 people who went to help you guys during beta, as I see it, we have no allies
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I agree with phienyx once again....He's right about how this plays into the FA "theme"... FA is known for being somewhat mysterious, rouges (as in we work alone, together :P) Honestly, I love that theme too... especially since i love the spy tree :P But I agree.... Truth be told, I don't even want a reconciliation with people who would just as easily stab us in the back... We always have had sources that give us information whether they are in-game players or characters, it's not like we're going to missout on anything big.... Again, I say fuckem.... That's just my opinion
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I swear, I cannot wait for zion to split into 2 organizations
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yeah i think we are going to have to step it up in this next event starting this week/ we need to be on our toes, find as many clues as we can to be part of as many events as we can...we could also spam morpheus for info :/ . WE need to be the cool kids and fuck those other people that didnt even bring this shit up till now.
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its kinda wrong that they believed everything that was said on the forums and ingame rather than go to the source and ask tbone what was going on. i dont think its a big loss for us though. the only time they seemed to interact with us is when they needed help. and we would come to even things up.
but this definatly plays into our backstory. with the disapperance of us from the forums, the only time people see us is passing by ingame, or when we are pvp'ing. i tend to rarely talk in area chat... again trying to keep the mystery about FA intact. angels dont stay in the spotlight... but when you see them in numbers, something's going down... we should take advantage of the situation we are in rather than letting it bother us.
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Why do we have to be the popular "cool kids"? I know this isn't the reason I joined FA.
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Hating on FA is what's in style right now.
Fads disappear.
Soon the trend will go away. Just like Prada, Gucci, and Kate Spade.
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Oh ya... and whatever you do TBone... don't go making accusations that we have to rally together because the mervs have WMDs... its not gonna work =p
Yes it will! Don't you remember that annoying mission way back when that used to give everybody grief? The Artifact thing, the powerful painting that the Merovingian had and you had to steal it. That sounds like a WMD to me!
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Yes it will! Don't you remember that annoying mission way back when that used to give everybody grief? The Artifact thing, the powerful painting that the Merovingian had and you had to steal it. That sounds like a WMD to me!
O NOES Guyz! TeH PAInTing ESPLODE!!!!!1
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I know it really doesnt matter, but I say Tbone goes into this Alliance meeting, explains himself, makes them feel like ass's, has them ask him to forgive and forget and tell him that they want FA back in the Alliance. And then Tbone Bitch slaps someone, tell's them we've decided that we are more effective if we work under our own "government", that we dont feel the need to be a part of a "gang" we can take care of ourselves, we're real men who can fight hand to hand - we dont need to call for backup, and let it be.
But that is just the way I am, I like to be an ass right back.
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The Furious Angels.... wow, what a goddamn powerful faction. and that's what really matters. Power, not popularity. However, power only comes from those who respect that authority. In the eyes of the game masters, we need to be powerful... that is all.....
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So how is this developing? Have we had any official negotiations with this "society" yet? And what exactly does a black list consist of?
I was actually unaware of this development and I have interacted with multiple members of these factions black listing us since they put the "sanction" in effect. They reacted no different than usual, and made no mention of not helping out the FA any longer. I am not saying I would be incredibly surprised that many of these Zionists were incredibly two-faced, that goes without saying, but some of these people(a couple whom are high up in two of these blacklisting factions) I considered friends.
I realize I am a bit late to the table on this one, but do things currently stand as they did when Tbone made his original post, or have matter changed?
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Essentially they feel we aren't popular anymore, and if you're not popular, you can't hang out with the cool kids.
Either we're too popular, or we need a miracle of good PR to bring us back into the light we were originally in.
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ProfessorL, in a situation like this, it is usually those self important "cool ones" in the "upper echelons" of some of these factions that are the biggest of problems. Those in the "in" crowd, within these factions decide that another person or faction is no longer "cool" and make like everyone else should or does think like they do, when in actuality, a majority really don't have a problem with said "uncool" person or faction.
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well i believe i said this in another post but ill repeat it again. its really quite simple FA is the most powerful faction in the game. we are and will be the object of envy and thru envy, hatred. this is just another perfect example. you better get used to people not playing nice with us, even our own so-called friends. now im new here, but how much do u wanna make a bet that us getting blacklisted by this little gathering isnt about our image and more about keeping us in the dark information wise so we are slower/weaker to act on the live events, thus trying to hog the glory for themselves? the reason they believe all the BS thats getting thrown around the forums is because they WANT to believe it. so you know what, the hell with them. they are losing more out of blacklisting us than we are. there went 50% of their collective powerbase. its just like if the US withdrew from the United Nations. considering that literally 95% of the UNs budget comes out of US taxpayer dollars, the greedy little rats would soon collapse under their own fat weight with no more food to sustain them and would soon start eating each other. we can expect a similar outcome here in the near future. let them talk all they want about us. WE know who we are and what we are really about. and thats all that matters. as far as im concerned, the only place where i care to clear our name is with the devs, publically stating on their site that they were investigating us for exploiting. i think we deserve an apology for dirtying our name and not dealing with the matter in private. but that is the only case where anyone has said anything negative about us with any legitimate credibility. not like it will make a difference, it will just further fuel the "all devs are in FA" theory, but the fact is if its on the official site, its generally assumed as fact by the entire community.
as for being the popular kids or whatever. the hell with that. we dont need to pretend to be something just to please a bunch of jealous hypocrites. we are FA and we are going to be FA and we will not let them affect us. we will not bend to the whim of this community. the community will bend to us. and if being ourselves doesnt sit well with a few envious little rats, you know what, im not losing any sleep over it.
bottom line is, none of this surprises me. if none of you have experience in previous games with being at the top, you better get used to your friends turning your back on you real quick. because if we are going to continue to be the pinnacle of mxo, our path is pathed in betrayal. its the price we pay for being that damn good.
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to quote venlar:
So... basically... They're the UN... and.. We are... The United States... makes sense...
America! FUCK YEAH!
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On a side note, there is one problem. well, not so much a problem, but let me lay it out:
remember when things were great, people loved and respected FA, fought to become part of FA,
there was press saying the devs were thinking of paying groups like FA to sway the story line/play, etc?
Our respect is still important, despite how cool we are. hehe. but let's face it, there isnt much respect at all. The devs/whoever arent going to want to give any type of treats to a faction, if they know it'll piss off the whole community and might even cause them to lose customers. I dont know about how much anyone else cares about those things, but if that's something they want in addition to playing this awesome game, everyone needs to step it up, No over the top trashtalking or griefing, one of the things I see a lot are, people in this faction are mature and have control, but they let it break too easily. they let other's taunts and accusations get to them, and snap, instead of keeping their cool, it'd be awesome if we became the robin hood and merry men of this game, stop the evil ones, and help the good guys. The people that defend us on the forums and in game are a lot of the same ones that were helped out personally by a FA member at some point when they needed it. Some FA member showed that person that they were willing to help out their fellow gamer and take time out of whatever they were doing to do so, asking nothing in return. take that, and think a larger scale. I believe it can be done, and we'll have enough people backing and supporting us to out number the ones that want to be asses or ruin the game for everyone else. at that point, When devs or whoever want a faction they can appoint to help out with the events or storyline, they'll likely go to someone like us, because they know the community will support it because they feel FA deserves it, and they know the only people they'll be hurting are the ones that are ruining it for everyone else. meh, sorry to vent a little, just something that was on my mind. I'll step off my soapbox now. :)
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The alliance is falling apart anyway. Warriors of the Awakened disbanded and their leader, Kotar, was kicked out. Sacred Order is gonna go Merv, though SolisFates has plans to completely leave the game. This leaves Risen Triad (jerkfaces), Kindred (about 5 members), Children of the Code (they're just going with the flow - wouldn't take much to get the teaming up with us), and the Illuminati (they have plans to go against Morpheus anyway, so we'll probably end up being pitted against them).
As for other Zionite factions, they still look up to us. Broin and I attended a meeting with Niobe today and I was flooded with tells and /daps.
As for the FA haterz, they currently have other targets. They've all been caught doing other stuff and basically it's just not cool anymore. I was chillin with a few of them at Mara Central. People seem to be a lot more friendly towards us - maybe because of fear, maybe because of respect.
I think we still shouldn't post on Enumerator: General. Also, this doesn't mean old shit won't be brought back up. I'm just saying that if you think we've lost respect/power/popularity, you are wrong. The alliance people were the only ones getting high and mighty.
Just keep being friendly to people and they'll run out of things to hate you for.
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Ive just wanted to post on so many threads .. no words, just a picture of Johnson's Baby Shampoo with a little zoomed in section on "No Tears" .. man .. the good ol' days :P
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jesus.... that was faster than i thot... they already pwned themselves? LOLOLOLOLOLOL
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Yes folks we all knew it was bound to happen.... These types of things always fall apart which is why we stayed out of it. Just so you guys know I have been recieving quite a bit of contact from Children of The Code. Several of them appear to want to be nice and buddy buddy now.... I believe they see the writing on the wall