The Furious Angels
FA Discussion => General => Topic started by: Anonymous on April 20, 2005, 08:17:09 pm
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while looking through the matrix forums I found this
http://www.blakeon.com/site/index2.html
Do you think we should allow some of our members to sign up for this or just ignore it and just go on?
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i think just let it go
no need to make more enemies than necessary
putting one of ours in there is just opening ourselves to the trolls and more flamebaiting
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although its kinda a neat idea...i think its better left ignored.
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damn... i feel... oddly compelled... it's like... my calling, lol :P
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Gabe, you need to edit your sig and put "The Enforcer"
lol
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Well, it's not a bad idea, but I agree with Grim, we definatly don't need to put any of our enimies in there. However, this should be closely monitored and not just ignored.
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we are so gonna be on those lists... i agree w/ jonny... maybe we should keep an eye on it...
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I don't think we should post on there, but if we get a bounty put on our head, That person will have a frequent meeting with death. That is if they put up the name of the person giving the bounty.
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Well on the tab on the left there are places for "bounties" and "hunters." There is already one hunter, a zionist, but no bounties yet. I think that as long as they keep the setup like that, we can easily monitor who is hunting and who is being hunted.
If this site ends up getting enough attention, we can add the hunters to a buddy list group and keep an eye on them.
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i agree with not putting out bounties, we can kill who we need to ourselves, don't need to waste money that way, but what about hunting? it may very well be a nice way to earn info for the faction, then again it may also be frowned upon by certain parties.
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They still may not say exactly who is fronting the info for the kill...
I really don't care about the hunters-chances are they're already on my/our shitlist. But the people who are paying to kill us do it this way to keep quiet and not die by our hand - I would have fun finding and killing them instead.
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i agree with not putting out bounties too... i just wanted to make sure that i was clear that i meant we are gonna have bounties on our heads... (thats what i meant by we are so gonna be on that list)...
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I agree with not putting out bounties, we can kill who we need to ourselves, don't need to waste money that way, but what about hunting? it may very well be a nice way to earn info for the faction, then again it may also be frowned upon by certain parties.
thats what I was thinking, even though we are on a pvp server and most people would want to kill us any way, so I figured why not get paid for killing people? Sure some people will look down upon it and call us "gankers" etc, but is that different from whats going on now?
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Well, it says on the site that 3 screenshots must be take, 1 before fight, 1 during, and one after, including some sort of dialogue. Hardline ganking is not permissible for collecting bounties. I think that it may be a good source of extra funding for the Faction as well, as long as we know who we're working for, and aren't killing our allies.
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Hmm, I know we are having PR issues as it is, but Tiz and Gabe have a point. Info is becoming hard to come by. If this site takes off, which we have no way of knowing it will, I do not think it would be a bad idea to have a small group of FA Bounty hunters in their database. We are going to continue killing our enemies as is, may as well have the oppurtunity for a payoff.
How about each ship interested elects a hunter, and any bounties that hunter brings in go into the ship's bank.
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I don't think we should kill for what is basically another organization.
If FA wants any chance of gaining our good name back, we have to steer clear of this one. Find another wya to get money.
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.... are you guys serious??
you want to gank people to make money?
yeah, it's easy money, but it's not good money. we're better than that
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here we go with the flaunting of the "gank" term... this is a subject that bothers me more than most things... there is a difference between PvP killing and ganking
My definition
Ganking - Killing someone in "greenscreen" without any cause. The unprovoked killing of someone whose level is much lower than your own.
If you read the rules on the sight, it's very clear that the assassinations will be generally fair. You can't have a team of people killing one guy, you have to do it yourself. While the levels of the players may be an issue... there is a certain Roleplay aspect of the whole thing. I don't know, I think it's still far too early to make any definitive opinions on this... I say we wait and see how it goes.
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Agreed, we should see if this even picks up. But we are on a hostile server and my main interest in this is the RP value. It adds a game within the game, a break from the grind between story content.
I also agree that it will not be ganking. A gank will forfiet the "game" and mess up the entire hunt.
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ack...I’m so tempted to apply...
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The way I see it, no on both parts. First its been said but we can take care of our own enemies and no need to pay someone else to do it. The second part on taking bountys to kill others just doesn't seem to fite into the rp aspect of the faction. We here to save zion help morpheus and find out whats happened to Neo. We're a force for good (at least from our own eyes) not a hired hand. Although an intresting way to gain some cash I just can't see us as hired hands. We fight to win and protect zion, not someone elses lap dog.
At least thats the way
Got to give them credit though on trying to keep hardline killing out of the equation, at least some honor there.
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^^^^
What he said.
We're the good guys. If we kill, it's for honor or to defend someone/something. Not for info.
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Tivod said it all. :) Good job Tivod!
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I'm not going to keep people from doing this. You can only attack Mervs and Machinists anyway, so it fits with roleplay. Some of you guys just don't like PvP, so killing another player at all is going to be "ganking" to you. With the rules these guys have in place, it seems honorable enough, and if it is someone you'd be killing anyway, you might as well get a little cash for it. I'm not here to dictate how you play the game. As long as you aren't giving the faction a bad name by being a hunter, I'm not going to stop you. Kicking ass is a part of being in FA, remember? Heh...
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I feel the same way as Fuse and Tivod. This is an unneeded part of the game and I forsee only flaming and bashing coming our way because of it. We'll probably targets of this movement more often than having one of us doing the killing, and I can honestly deal with that. Like grim said, yeah it's easy money, but it's money earned with poor intentions, save for the "RP" aspect. We've done well with our finances just by running missions and with the xp for missions mostly back to the way it was, I don't see the problem with continuing what we were doing.
We do enough killing as it is right now, last thing we need is an excuse to get caught up in more killing. Leave this one be people, I beg of you, for the sake of the faction. No offense Tbone, let's leave the kicking ass to those that all out challenge us or storyline events. That's where we regain our honor and status, not by attacking every red we see.
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I think we are all going to have to agree to disagree on alot of PvP issues. It is obvious many people in the faction do not like PvP, and that is fine. You play the game however it makes you happy. On that same note, many of us do enjoy PvP. Playing against other players is a large part of what we enjoy in the world of MxO.
We have to except that no matter what we do we are going to be targets. We can spend all our time in game trying to present the most friendly, clean, and helpful image that is humanly possible, but we are still going to be the target of flames, attacks, and misunderstandings. I do not see participating in this bounty hunting game making any impact. If anything it is the cleanest form of PvP we have available. None of the current PvP "battles" has any guidelines and even if they start with a few, they generally deteriorate into chaos.
The main interest in this bounty hunting system is not the money. Of course we can make money just fine on our own. But this looks fun to many of us. It looks like it could potentially be another level of gameplay to add to our MxO experiance. The bottom line is, to those that find PvP appealing(and are tired of the "HL battles"), this is a fun and organized oppurtunity to practice our PvP skills.
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sooo...does this mean I can send in an app?
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Hey, read my details. In my Bluepill life I was a hitman, Vincent Redd, and a damn good one at that.
Then I of course pulled a hit on the the wrong person... who happened to have the Merv backing him bigtime... If you couldn't gather that from the description.
Thank my lucky stars for that red pill.
So yeah, if it takes off, this is right up my alley... It sounds fun, and isn't that what matters most? Moreso than what other people want to whine and complain about? Not like they wouldn't either way.
I'm definitely for the taking part in it. All the way.
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I think Professor said it best. Plus we are in the hostile server. Anyone who joined this server probably likes this kind of gameplay as well, so I don't think it would cause many major issues.
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I too agree with what professor said last. I think we'll just have to wait and see how it goes, this could very well be a great idea, as professor said a new level of gameplay, don't forget that the devs have kind of neglected the high level player as far as content. The only thing we have to do is farm and kill at the moment, unless there's a lame event going down *wink*
There's a real lack of content to keep us busy, RFZ is barely hosting parties on our server, not like back in beta any how. So now, the players have taken matters into their own hands, which they have every right to do. I say we at least see how it goes, give it a chance if nothing more.... don't bust it till ya tried it.
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Yeah, definitely signing up
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one thing to clear up: by "ganking" i meant killing for no real reason, except that they felt like it, or in this case, just killing for money. sorry, but i fail to see the RP in that
other wise, people have to consider the chain reaction that this will cause. an angel signs up, is hired to kill someone, that person sees the furious angels tag and now has a grudge against the faction. everything we do is being watched, so that will in no way escape people. keep doing that and we will have a rather large base of enemies for no real reason other than people like to kill or want money. just something to think about
as far as the idea of people already hate us so let's do it anyway, that's not what this faction is about. last i remember, we are about the community and helping, not killing and making enemies. not everyone will like us, and that's fine, but did we chose a pvp server just to go out and look for trouble? i thought we were the good guys :)
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We are the good guys. And even as Tyndal put it, there are some enemies of Zion that must be dealt with in unorthodox manners.
And to be honest (And blunt), I'm tired of having to tiptoe through the damned tulips with all these people crying exploiter at us. I bought the game to have fun. I'm not doing it to senselessly kill people, and make a buck off of it. I'm doing it because we are Furious Angels. Even in heaven, there is an Archangel of War. I'm simply applying for that Archangel's position
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i'd be careful kayda, i think thats all shes saying.
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prof said it best
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To each thier own is NOT a valid point here. If it was we would all be allowed to post what we want on teh message baords. One persons actions effect the faction. I am surprised at you T, for saying we can do what we will on this case, yet we can not defend FA, or even make a post UNREALATED to FA without being kicked out. I am not against PvP, I'm against "Oh look, there red-Kill it!", even if they are the same lvl-unless there good RP value, or personal reason for it, I don't attack. If they want a fight, they bring it on and I fight. Some of you don't even think about RP/Story/reasons why you kill a red, which is what I consider the asses of the MMO world. They kill just to kill. We came to this server for the RP and story potential, how is having hitmen part of that? as I said before, RP wise-kill for honor and defense-not such a selfish reason as info.
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nothing there to say a FA member can't collect bounty on an FA member ;) /duel
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This isn’t omg its a red lets pwnz0rz it1!!!!11!!!
the point is that the people we do hunt(and we don’t even have to hunt a single on) have done something to deserve getting a bounty on their heads, so we are not "killing for the sake of killing". For example, one person who might have a bounty on their heads is psycidelicos. We would most likely kill him anyway for what he has done but now not only are we doing that but we are getting paid for doing it, and possibly getting a good rep for the people setting the bounties.
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archangels of war killed for God, not for themselves, or for money. if you are going to put up that theory, then you would be killing for the faction, not for someone who puts out a bounty on someone else. archangels' purposes and honour were the exact opposite of bounty hunters.
as for killing someone because we'd be killing them anyway, it's enough for me to just kill someone i don't like. wanting money for it is just greedy, in my opinion. if you're not having enough fun in this game killing and being killed on your own personal turf for your own reasons, without bringing in other people's wants and needs to have people killed, i suggest trying another game. don't make enemies for the faction, because you inevitably will, whether you want to, intend to, or not.
i understand this is not a "if they're red they're dead" setup, because you will be after specific people. but the more successful you are at being a bounty hunter, the further you are bringing the faction down by giving us a bad name. saying that our name is tarnished anyway is just rediculous, we'll be digging our own graves. we can't be a part of the community if the community hates us.
we're better than this, people. there are better ways to make a name for ourselves.
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I hate to burst yalls lil bubble of protection from the PvP world....but i'm going to go ahead and take this oppertunity to "enlighten" you as to what actaully goes on out there, out of the comfort of Coder Park and mission areas.
It's war out there, thinking otherwise is being naive. Do you know how many factions, out of every merv/machine faction there is, that want to kill FA on sight? Every single one of them, besides the Jokerz. So don't go assuming that if we don't attack them they won't attack us. You know how many of our guys get ganked on a daily basis? You ever been in an all out war, notice most of the reds going after FA? Why? Because we are powerful, because we are effective.
Help the community? The community which openly flames us? The community which blacklists us? The community which calls us exploiters? Which community were you referring to exactly? Perhaps, the community which smiles in our face but never supports us when we need it most? Hmmm... Yes that's a rather cynical way of looking at it, but what can you expect at this point. Furthermore, for all you know at this point in time, this Bounty service may very well become a part of the community, just as RFZ is.
We know what we are, I'm not here to blow sunshine up the community's ass and go out of my way to impress them, we already bend over backwards for this unforgiving community as it is. We make one or 2 mistakes and we get branded, all of our prior accolades forgotten. I'm not trying to make enemies... You've never heard someone thank you for saving their life? from being ganked? From clearing out a hardline of gankers? It's very rewarding, and that is the kind of thing that will win some of the community over, by being there, showing that we care, showing that we are here to help...
Bottom line. From what i've read, it appears you have the choice of what bounties you'd like to persue, you can either accept or not even bother with them. Therefore we'd have the choice of killing someone who we know deserves to die, or who we would kill on sight anyhow, so why not collect on that? How is that greed. That is luck, not greed, getting paid to do what you are good at, in this case, killing.
Killing a ganker, avenging someones death, is not going to bring the Faction's name down. We're on a Hostile server, kill or be killed, wake up and smell the bloodshed.
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We all know its a pvp server there is no reason or point to make a post that attacks other peoples veiws or opinions. We should all have enough respect for one another to state our reasons with out being sarcastic or an ass to one another.
The point I said had nothing to do with fighting, it was the cause behind the fight. From my point of veiw we are FA, the good guys. We fight for a reason and not a price tag. Avenge death, kill gankers I had no idea we needed a cash insentive to do so. If we accept the prize then weather or not at the time of attack we did it for the cash. To me that taints the ideas behind any fight but thats not my call.
Tbone has stated the rules and I follow his command. Anyone should feel free to post thier ideas and arguments but try and do it in a constructive matter. We should have enough respect and honor to one another not to go down that road.
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Here is a great example of what I just said. The first bounty ever put out was on, the one, the only, Mek. We would be killing this guy anyway.
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I apologize if my post may have seemed rude or taken out of context, I'm just trying to tell it how it is, nothing more. I'm not trying to pick a fight or disrespect anyone, especially not another angel. Just trying to get a point of view across... I respect everyone's opinions, and I generally get where everyone stands on this topic, but everyone should be as understanding towards everyone elses opinions.
I still say we wait it out before coming to any concrete conclusions, obviously i myself am intrigued by the idea, while others may be completely against this... i think it has some potential if operated correctly... there will always be goods and bads to everything, nothing is perfect.