The Furious Angels
FA Discussion => General => Topic started by: Anonymous on May 16, 2005, 08:25:31 pm
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Ok so today is the start of the character migration I was thinking that if we were going to move our character over to another server that we should pick a uniform one. I was thinking Method. Let me know what you think!
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Why the move?
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I thought you would keep you character on the old server
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i always thought if you moved that character would stay on that server for good.. in other words not be able to return to Enum.
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I dont know what to think these are pure thoughts not anything i really want to do, but Enumerator doesnt leave much room anymore for me to RP. Im worried that the Hunt for morpheus will be a disaster on Enumerator and i wont be able to enjoy it because of constant AOEs and the asshats that screw it up. I know that we went to a hostile server for a reason so that it would be fun, but im just not feeling it anymore and i want something to fall back on like going to parties and enjoying the story without interuptions. I have toyed on Regression and its basicly a hostile server, but all you have to do is /pvp and its like the old days.
If we were to move Method would be my choice. Dont take anything ive typed the wrong way, but thats just how i feel.
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I am cought between what to do.
We go to method and we get to enjoy a mostly ass hat free beta-ish life, but we cant kill people who need to be put in their place.
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Well I for one would have my pvp tag on all the time so it would be the same for me. Im now firmly wanting to switch i think being with the old guys will be so much more fun and im really spread thin on constant pvping. Im sure the Collective wont turn down a fight with us if they do how does that make look bad and cowardly. Seriously i want to hear more people opinions.
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I can't say much for the group, as i'm fairly new, but whatever the final decision is, I will follow.
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I think anyone has every right to voice their opinion new or old this is a faction matter so as a faction please everyone speak up and let your voice be heard.
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well, I was trolling the collective's forums as I normally do on week days when I can't jack in and they don't seem to be freaking out of the fact thet we might be comming for a visit, but I did find this, (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v412/Sabre824/serasigmekhaha8jv.gif)
I must admit, it made me laugh.
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HAHAHA thats great. See i think we should take advantage of this transfer we would be with old rivals and could really refresh my view of the game and make it more fun.
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I got to say though Orien, I don’t know how long you were around to deal with TC, but a lot of them hate our guts, but I can say I blame them because just about every non Zion group does and even a few Zionites as well.
The only 2 TC members that I remember having a good time with were Garutachi and Seraya
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Oh i know that they hate FA with burning rages of passion and flames. I dont know what to think about Enumerator any more it just doesnt feel like im having fun anymore.
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i dunno either. leaving enum would make me feel like we are running away from it. i do like the fact that its always unpredictable on a hostile server. that keeps it interesting for me. when i get bored of pvp, ill go invisible and spy on conversations mervs/machines are having. i think its getting to a point that ISOLOI knows that im prob listening to him when he sees me on /who with my assassin loadout.
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well i dont want to move but i do kinda like how it would be like beta with all our old friends and rivals but its would just be gay because there have asshats like we do and then people would be calling us gankers and then no one will turn on their pvp flag and it is also the laggiest server and parties suck IMHO. this was another poorly typed post brought to you by Khr0n1k.
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Agreed Im not really wanting to leave im just throwing out what im feeling about Enum.
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Sentences, you need more of them Khr0n1k.
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Yea this will just be a debate over moving or staying I will follow which ever decision we go with.
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Just a FYI, there is suppose to be something preveting people from mass AOEing during events and sorts. As well as a buffer zone around NPCs like Morpheus, as well as different color chat for them. In short they see thier mistakes on a PvP event and are trying to fix it. From what I gather from the dev chat and forums these should be included in the next patch. (Or patch before the event)
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motivational speech courtesy of your obedient servant:
here are the options:
leave enum and move to a non-pvp: they win
stay on enum and hang in there, like we always do: we win
yeah, sometimes pvp sucks, and there are guidelines that other players don't uphold. but if he duck our tails between our legs and run away, what fun is any other server going to be? yeah, it sucks getting ganked, but revenge is OH SO sweet!!
i think pvp ADDS to the RP value. i mean, morpheus and neo couldn't just walk down the streets in broad daylight and expect the world to be fine and dandy. you can't grow stronger if you don't accept your own vunerabilities and grow from them. we're the good guys on enum. there are a lot of other zionist factions, but they look up to us. yes, even the ones that don't like us, they watch our every move. if we leave enum, zion will have absolutely NO stronghold on that server. we are a very powerful and strong zionist link on that server, and leaving would cause a lot of stress on the other zionists we leave behind, and there really is no reason for it.
so ... who are you gonna let win? :)
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Forget that......Grim and I are making our own server called "OMGWTFWEPWNJ00" ......and only her and I are allowed on it....we own the Matrix, so HA!
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LMAO .... right .... and there will be a bar with never-ending drinks and shot girls and beer boys and waitresses that hand out cookies to everyone ....
three words:
BEST
SERVER
EVER
:p
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I vote for Enum
reason 1- i restarted on Enum to join FA leavin a lvl 22 charector before.
reason 2- been ganked ever since i joined...nvr complain about it
reason 3- now im lvl 41 and my turn to do some ass whooping
reason 4- we could alwasy do more RPing.....more parties....put the white uni's on and run around get the community involved...
just seems to me are biggest problem is not enough active members.
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I agree with orien on the fact that i play mxo for the story and so far all i've done is pvp and not much story. I accepted the fact that we went to a pvp server. I got over it, no biggie but when we decided to go to a pvp server it was becasue we figured we'd have a better chance at the story. I don't see that happening. So my thoughts are that I wouldn't mind moving. Or maybe since there are those that want to move and those who don't why can't we create FA on one of the other servers. It was said that eventually we wanted to have our name atleast on the other servers maintaining that Enumerator was the main server. We could still be one faction but since I do play on the other servers every now and then I find more "different" storyline events type stuff. Seems like the story is a little different on each server. So we could always share the information between the two and possibly have a clearer picture of whats happening.
This is just my 2 cents. There are other things holding me back from continuing to level on Enumerator, one is I'm just not having fun anymore on it. The other is I don't like being told I have to level. I miss parties and dances and being able to just hang around have a good time and role play.
Do I want them to win, no, but would I like the option to be an angel on another server. I do :)
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I dont see why this is even being talked about. Like Grim said if we leave they win. I do not want to see this faction just up and run away because we cant handle it. Like myth said our biggest problem is we dont have enough active members. According to the roster there is 92 people in this Faction. (not counting nik0 for some reason he is still on the roster when he left the faction) Right now maybe 20 if that are truely active. So where is the other 72 people? Yes real life comes first but we are supposed to post something up when we will be gone for awhile and not very many people have done that....
I dont want us to change servers. We need to get active again. We should be able to host our own parties and not have to worry about getting any bouncers for it. I'm waiting for us to start doing the different projects again like making another movie..
We chose to come to this server.
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I wouldn't mind living a beta life again, honestly. I come and help out with PVP (like I did tonight), but it just gets old and busted after a while. I vote we go to the new hotness.......as it were
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ok.. if you don't like what I'm saying just have a lick of salt and it will be better. but any way these are just my opinions...and opinions are like arses...everyone has them...but...
1)This is something that Tbone should have made the first post....those who are unhappy with open pvp should have PMed/ contacted Tbone about it..and had a pow-wow with him...and he should have been the first to put it to the rest of us...even if it is JUST a discussion
2) This is as close as you can get to the REAL MATRIX....ok..you are walking down the road...and you see an agent...ok...the Agent is not gonna just sit there and not attack...hell no...what about the Merv's...are they gonna just sit there and talk trash and not attack? no...in the movies...they are gonna pull out their guns and try and kill ya...ya I know it's hard to RP with you are getting killed by 5 lvl 50's. I've been there..we all have...
3) I agree with the inactivity as well. back in the day...one month of inactivity...with no posts saying, "hey something's come up and I'll be back in a few months"
we need to get out there...I agree...we need to show them FA IS NOT BEATEN AND WE ARE ALL AROUND!.
I'm not leaving Enum..this is FA's home...we belong here...
"yeah, sometimes pvp sucks, and there are guidelines that other players don't uphold. but if he duck our tails between our legs and run away, what fun is any other server going to be? yeah, it sucks getting ganked, but revenge is OH SO sweet!! " - quoting Grim- Girlfriend I totally agree!!
as I said before ...again...these are just my opinions...and my thoughs...
Sla'n go Foil
~Tabby~
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The ONLY reason why I feel compelled to ditch enumerator is because of the unimaginable amount of assholes and griefers there are. I LIKE the pvp situation though, it makes the game more tense..... which is why I would choose to stay on Enumerator.
I already have a second character that I play on method. It's a whole different ballpark almost. Whenever I wanna get away from the *insert foul remark* I just go to my char on method and the game is refreshing again.
Actually having 1 char on PvE and 1 char on PvP has optimized my enjoyment of this game so far.
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Moving away from Enumerator is just like taking the redpill and then making a deal with the machines to be reinserted in the Matrix.
"yeah.. well... I know this stake isn't real.. but I rather eat fake steak than goop for the rest of my life"
No thanks.
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One thing i like about Enumerator... is the revenge... nothing is better than chasing down the bastard that was a few lower levels and saw you coding... only to realize that he still couldn't hit you. the thing that makes this great is that you can go ahead and serve them a nice can of whoop ass whether it be now or later... one thing i do miss on servers though is yes... the hanging out and chatting and going to parties and RPing it up... it is a little more difficult and rare to see things like that happen... but hey you play off the attacks as an ambush and you make a plan of attack. Me and Xtreem are always doing that and hell it's ALOT of fun.. ^_^
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i am not sure... i like being able to kill other people but sometimes people just wont back off... we need more opinions...
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it seems to me most of you who do want to leave want to leave because the asshats ruin shit for us on Enum. no offense but it sounds to me like youre just running away from your problems. and one thing ive learned is you can never run away from your problems. no matter where you go or what you do there will be an entire set of problems there waiting to piss you the fuck off. i have a character on proxy from before i joined FA, and you'd be surprised what ppl can do to piss you the eff off without PVP. like during the niobe meeting at Tabor Park where literally all of Zion from the server showed up during the Race for Neos RSI event, a few mervs managed to find the meeting place and were spamming to all hell making it very difficult to read Niobes messages. even a few Zionists started casting AOE Cures just to lag every one out...
then theres the consequences that leaving enum would have here. you think we have reputational problems now? just wait. every fucking machine and merv faction on enum will not shut up about how we ran away from enum and how they defeated us and made us leave the server and how they fucked with us and we are just a bunch of pussies for running away and blah blah blah. with what we've seen so far over one stupid little thing like the shaper event, this would fuel the forum flamers fire so big that i dont know if we would ever hear the end of it. FA would lose ALOT of respect, more so than its already lost because of these envious sons of bitches.
ultimately its Tbones decision, and ill go wherever FA goes, but i personally would rather stay right here, fight the good fight, and keep these bitches inline.
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same here I Sort of like to PvP But not the assholes who Ruin it I would stayBut if it means Moving Ill guess to stay in the FA I Have to move cant have halfs...
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I really don't mind the PvP if it's at least a challenge, but all of the pvp scwabbles I get are at least 1 lvl 50 (usually 2 or 3 though) against a bunch of 20s-40s. It's almost pointless to participate in the PvP when they only target the lowest levels in the group and avoid everyone else, unless you're level 50 yourself. I don't know about the rest of you, but I really wasn't planning on hitting 50 within the first 2 months of launch. I've seen most of the lvl 50s trail off here as of late because either they're bored or the amount of time off they took at launch has caught up with them.
Where are they now? I mean no offense to the people I talk about, but it's a point that has to be made. When 4 lvl 50s are camping the archivist in moriah, or the constructs themselves, or even a hardline...there's no lvl 50s on or none to come and help. Then we also ask them to help on mission teams, but all they want to do is PvP...and then there's complaints that people aren't leveling fast enough, am I the only one seeing this? Enumerator is fun if we can work together as a team in mission groups, PvP and events. Although it seems now more people have focused on the constructs to level instead of missions, and I can understand that...and in ways I'd rather do it also. But people need to prioritize what's important, leveling vs. helping the faction. Some may see this as the same thing, but in important situations, leveling can wait.
Being on this server has become a grind fest to 50, and I don't want that. I do have a character on pretty much every other server and I enjoy playing on them. Like a couple people said, it's an escape from the bull and the asshats for a while. It is a tad boring at times, but most important of these servers...it's relaxing. What I hate is jacking into OUR hardline and being camped by 15 level 40s-50s and no one comes to help or even tries to regain the hardline. This could be the first time jacking in for the day and I get ganked in green screen. People wonder why some people haven't been on, with this frustration I can understand why. I know most of the veteran pvp'ers or MMO'ers are used to such things and pass it off and tell us to just reconstruct and carry on, unfortunately it is hard for me to do so and I admit that. I want revenge on them, but I'm incapable of doing so, and I'm not grinding to 50 so I can.
I came to Enumerator for the sake of the faction, thinking that we were going to continue what we were doing at the end of beta. This includes being in every event as much as possible, showing up at scheduled events (parties, meets, etc.)...if pvp broke out later on as part of RP, okay no problem. I've just noticed all of the possible assholes have come to enum and joined the mervs and do nothing but gank all day, and mostly while people run missions. This does come down to the amount of active members willing and able to help out, but doesn't mean that we should be demanding members to grind to 50 to do so.
Everyone has their own pace and wishes for their character, each and every one of us are paying customers and we can do what we wish with our own characters. Every level range in the game has a purpose, whether some people can see it or not. As far as which server I would like to move to, it doesn't really matter, even if we move to Heuristic (the other hostile server), Enum has just become who can kill the fastest at a hardline and move to the next.. I've ranted long enough and have made many opinions, so I'll just shut up now and let them be.
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I like our home on Enumerator. Despite the dumbasses that like to ruin our fun, we still have a lot of respect with the other Zion factions, as well as some Mach and Merv factions. I created my first character on Method because I wasn't experienced at all with this MMO stuff, and I didn't want PvP to ruin my learning experience. Adrenaline convinced me to switch over to Enum and it's been a blast. I think moving to a non-PvP server after spending so much time on a PvP server would be boring. We'd all be standing around bored waiting for the next event.
Let the assholes be assholes. I've been ganked tons of times, but I don't give them the satisfaction of getting mad about it. I was getting ganked by Continuity last night in Sai Kung Central. I shrugged it off and made a small mention of it on TS. I didn't specifically ask for help, but before I knew it, Broin, Vinzeru and Doan showed up to put Continuity in their place. I just thought that was really cool. Then about half an hour later, there were about 20 Zionites at that hardline ready to blast any reds that came out. The cooperation and teamwork really put a smile on my face.
And on the issue of FA's reputation. Our reputation is ours to make or break. We have to work a little bit if we want to earn respect. I don't think moving to a new server will do much to help us. I agree with Likwidneo that it may only hurt us in the end. Every Mach and Merv faction jumping up and down with glee cheering about how they ran us out of town. Then there's the possibility of other Zion factions losing respect for us for running away. Worst case scenario is that we will be shunned entirely. People won't respect us unless we give them a reason to do so. What happened to that music video we were planning? Or the parties we were organizing? Less talk, more action!
It appears that the devs are working on various systems to keep the dumbasses in their place. But there's only so much they can do before the storyline of the game is taken from our hands entirely. It's up to us to put people in their place, while keeping our heads cool and not get on a power trip.
If it comes down to us moving, I will go along with it. I've only been with FA for a couple weeks, and you guys have done a good job of convincing me to stay.
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I thought if we "moved" character, that meant MOVE, ie no character left on Enum.
I also thought it meant you could move when you like as many times as you like :S
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No, the move is limited to 1 character, per account
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Benevolence... you stole the words out of my mouth...
And about our rep... and the fact that mervs and machinists will brag... Our rep on enum isnt great as it is... we are... out of the loop... no longer mainstream... we've been a few steps behind on the storyline because of this... zionists arent sharing info with us anymore... and well... it sucks... ya ya ya... we have always been alone and we can do it and blah blah blah... but i'm sorry guys... your wrong... dealing with situations like this in an MMO is more often than not a matter of numbers... and we are way outnumbered... if we do manage to make some impacts on the game its going to be a matter of luck... i know you guys don't want to hear that but it's true... staying on enum is going to make life extremly hard on us... and i fear that it will lead to us losing members that we have all grown close to... Ya i know a lot of you enjoy PVPing and the revenge aspect of it... but in the end... what is going to be best for the faction as a whole... not just your personal prefrences... In my personal opinion Enum is dying... the population is shrinking... the very few parties and player events that did exist are growing to be fewer and fewer in between... everyday i see less and less people at the hardlines or in the constructs... all the seems to remain now is the major factions of the server... and once they start going down... losing members... ect... the server is going to fall apart... Another thing... dont think moving to Method will eliminate PVP entirly... i remember having great fun in the constructs PVPing... I enjoy having a more closed enviroment for PVP but thats just me... and don't forget that you can always just /PVP and i'm sure that the mervs and machinists on method wont be able to resist that kind of temptation =p and also all the big events on all servers have pvp enabled... i dunno i'm just kind of ranting at this point and lost my original train of thought... all i really want to say is dont be too quick to rule options out and jump to conclusions
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As you all know, I've been taking a break for various reasons, but one so I can enjoy leveling again, and I wont be going hardcore this time.
I do think that things will turn like it was towards the end of beta. When the truce falls apart again, things will be interesting, and it looks like community events are just starting to get going properly again. Now that people are level 50, they can relax a little and concentrate on the nicer things for the community - ok there are those that gank instead, and this is a problem.. PVP ganking during missions for a level 16 means it is a lot harder than beta was when PVP was in the constructs and you could do missions outside ok...
I see it as a new challenge myself. These big groups automatically level out the levelling up for the PVP servers meaning a lot wont be able to get to 50 so quickly, as everyone has wanted. What concerns me about this approach is your safety. I haven't been in for ages, so I don't know if this is changed, but its quite difficult to get away from a big group who can just chase you... jacking out is not as quick as that, there needs to be some sanctuary... and perhaps where the faction comes in, you need TS to call for assistance, as your low MP level runs starts to run out with all that HJing.
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Ya know our server would make everyone wanna join us.....but they CANT! They will all beg and plead to join the OMGWTFWEPWNJ00 server but we will sit and laugh as we enjoy the royalties of our life!!! Mwuahahahaha!
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I honestly would be willing to either go or stay. I know that sounds like a cop-out answer, but I just figure there will always be difficulties associated with both hostile and non-hostile servers, as well as simply carrying the title of FA. Therefore, it matters not to me. I will go wherever you guys go. :-)
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on the topic of being alone... and zionist not sharing information with us. that problem has already started to disappear. about a week ago, tbone and a few other FA met with members of the AS. they were able to ask us questions about the rumors about FA, and many of them have been resolved. but the true test to the meeting that took place will be this next event... if we're included in the sharing of information. but everyone has to do thier part, FA and the AS. this event is going to be important... as well as fun.
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My opinon is that we should stay put, stand our ground and weather the B.S. We will respect ourselves alot more for this. If we run to another server everytime things get tough, that does nothing for us showing the strength of our character and on top of that, we'll be hoping servers every 2-3 months. Changing servers will do nothing to improve our situation. It will only weaken us. Enumerator is our home. I don't plan on movnig any time soon.
Has this even been run by Tbone?
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I know to some it seems like we want to run away... but to others its not how we see it at all... my biggest worry since we came to this server was that it would eventually die out... like most pvp servers in other games... and from what i've seen this server is on a downward trend... The last thing I want to see is us stuck on a server with little to no population... IMHO this is going to happen to enum... the community of enum is disappearing
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Why all this talk of moving? Its not like we cant have another character on another server. I do. I'm only level 3 on Method, but the character is there. Vinzerru. Same name, but with 2 r's. I plan on leveling up over there some more, in my spare time (or spare spare time, from the perspective of someone with no life).
This seems to have come out of the blue though, I didn't realize anyone was even considering wanting to switch to method... but really, you can just make another character there, and level it up. So I don't get what the problem is. If we wanna expand as a group, well why not. That's a great idea. Especially on a PVE server, where all of those "problems" with leveling don't exist.
My character on Enumerator is staying put, no matter what. I don't like the idea of not being able to get back if I do leave, and I'm not one for "leaving" in the first place. IF there there were to be a move to Method... hell, looks like its back to the grind for me. ;)
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I think the devs should let people whoi earned all their levels from 1-50 on a hostile server able to move their character at will
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When we made the decision to serve on Enumerator, we also made the decision that we would eventually have a presence on every server. If we switch out now, we can't come back, we will have NO presence on Enumerator and will have to work 10x as hard later on to get back to where we are.
If you are having problems on Enumerator, create another character on another server and go play there for a bit. relieve yourself for a bit, and then come home. Consider it a paid vacation
Patience!! The game has only been out for 2 months, barely. Yes, it's frustrating getting "walked over" by the reds who got to be level 50 the first few days. And those people will be forever annoying. But as we've already been seen, their continued antics have forced them out of the game, either by being banned, expelled, or they just got "bored," aka DEFEATED. Yes, we won those battles. Those of you who insist we are not heard, that petitions are worthless: this was one small victory in our favor!! That last bit of "humor" from psych and mek reported BY US was the last straw to push them out the door.
Being the good guy is the hard life!! You should ALL know that by now. If you are annoyed by being griefed and talked smack about, or about what people think about us, or how even other Zionists don't like us, that's the way we chose. If we wanted quick power and "easy" gaming, we would have chosen to betray Zion and dishonor Neo's and Trinity's deaths and sided with another organization. That's not what we chose, and every single one of us knew that when we followed the Angel in here. If you want to be the good guy, there are times you just have to bite your tongue, turn the other way, and return later. The best battle tactics are not just running up and killing a red without a word. The best tactics are thought out, planned, and have levels upon levels of stages so that not only is everyone included but also is every option covered. It's those kinds of tactics that win the battles. Not numbers, not reputation. Yes, those play big parts. But I will give you an example that might blow you away. Vereor Nos. Yes, many of those players have lost fire for the game and are waiting for BF2 to come out. But they are a multi-gaming group and they can do that. Everyone knows who VN is. Everyone has seen how they can fight and take people down. They were a strong force for the Merovingian because they knew the tactics. There were NEVER more than 10 people in VN at one time. NOW try to tell me that it's all about numbers. Even WE had to take a step back from them and come back when battling, even though we had twice as many members on the dnace floor.
We will have our chance on the other servers. But don't be so ready to jump out of your seat!! We have front row seats to the ACTION, which is half of the story! If we get up and move, we'll lose those seats, and next thing you know, we're in the back of the theatre trying to look over the fat guy wearing the Dr. Seuss hat. Yes, we have our problems. Yes, we have our struggles. But if you think that angrily pushing them away as minor annoyances by moving to another server is going to make them go away, it will be the total opposite. We WILL have a presence on other servers. We were promised that. Right now, we need to stabilize ourselves on OUR server. Patience is key.
A lot of people have it in their mind that this next event will make or break their decision to stay with the game, stay with the Angels, or stay on the server. Yes, the events play out different on every server ... but not THAT different. Yes, there are no reds around to throw a knife in your back when you are trying to listen to Niobe, but you will have to work through the same peoples' spam and arrogant trash talking just to hear what is being said.
So far the following reasons have been given to switch to Method (or anything but Enumerator):
**RP
**PvP
**Greifing/Ganking/Asshats
**Beta/Funness/Parties
**Lag
**Level
**Rep
Let me address these specifically.
RP - If you think RP is all about recruiting and having a good time, then I'm really sorry. RPing is supposed to be making the most reality out of the fictional setting you're in. If you want to RP, then go for it!! There will be people in your way, but that should add to your story! The best characters in a novel develop and grow stronger out of the struggles and downfalls they've had to endure! Play it out!
PvP - Okay, for serious now, if you think PvP sucks and you're tired of it, you shouldn't have joined up with FA in the first place. Everyone knew we were on Enumerator. When the decision was made when the game went live, we all accepted it. If you're not happy with it, find a greener field elsewhere. The people who REFUSE to PvP are the ones who bring in the most gankers from other factions. PvPing doesn't always mean fighting. Sometimes it may mean sending a friendly /tell to the ganker and seeing what's up. I've made a lot of good, secure contacts in opposing organizations that way. Sometimes it's calling for backup. You won't always get an answer. So write down the player's name and we'll kick his ass later. PATIENCE.
Griefing/Ganking/Asshats - Every single server will have this. The random red running by and shooting you might be gone, but that same red will now stop and spam and annoy the fuck out of you for even longer. Just because you're not physically killed doesn't mean that the "community" or the "enviroment" will be better.
Beta/Funness/Parties - Yes, beta was better. In every sense. But beta is gone. It's like your first real party or first time drinking. It was a blast, no doubt! But you can't party every day and drink yourself sstupid every chance you get. Yes, it will be fun for a while, but once you get addicted, people get annoyed with you and want you out, and you turn into people like Psych and Mek who are bent on revenge for the amount of "work" they put into the community. You'll go mad, and you'll drive everyone around you insane. Parties and drinking, that's great. But all play and no work will destroy the faction we've build up for so long. There is still work to be done. We can still have parties. We can still have our fun. But not every day. Some of us have been throwing out ideas for parties for WEEKS now, and some people are all for it, and everyone else just doesn't care. When we ask, "Is this date okay?" we need some sort of a response! Not just, "Yeah, whatever." Silence is the WORST policy! My ship and I worked quite a bit trying to put together ideas for an FA-only party. For US. No one else. JUST FA. And everyone just kind of blew it off. Other people brought up other ideas. Again, blown off. When you say less talk, more action, we can't. We can't progress and make plans without feedback on dates and times and whether people are even going to come! If you REALLY want to have more player events, rustle up those threads and get some fire back in them! Our home is what we make it. If two people want to have a party and everyone else is sitting around watching TV complaining that there are never parties, what do you expect?
Lag - Deal with it. Plain as that. Yes, it's frustrating. Yes, it makes you want to throw your computer off of the tallest building. But it's part of the game. It's not perfect. If you want a perfect game, it's not going to be PC-based or online.
Level - Some people are so worried about getting to level 50 so they will be able to defend themselves. That's fine. For everyone else just trying to enjoy the game, level up however you want. Don't let people force you to grind. Do what you want. Yes, there will be gankers and griefers and you will die. That's part of the game. That's part of life. You can't take your time and enjoy the scenery without building up a traffic jam. Let the fuckers pass you and wave them the Hawaiian good luck sign and let it be. If you're that concerned about it, drop your FA tag for a day or two. Switch your organization. Go play on another server for a while. Do what you want, but also be ready to be called upon when the faction is in need. Simple as that.
Rep - Who the fuck really cares? Yes, we have our enemies. Yes, we are short on allies. Guess who made it that way? WE DID. Yes, all those times we turn our backs to the Zionists, for whatever reason, you just made yourself another enemy. Every time you get bored and want to go pwn some n00bs, you just made yourself a dozen more. And every enemy you make for yourself, you make for the entire faction. Multiply that by how many people we have in the faction, and explain to me how you expect anything different? We put ourselves here, and if we continue that way, we will continue to diminish our own rep. We have stresed repeatedly that everything that is done is done for the faction. If you go and do your own thing, and make a negative impact, then you bring that home with you to the faction. No, we don't have to please everyone. But the minute we decided that the community hates us and we have no responsibility to bend over backwards to please them, that's when people started disliking us. We know better. We know what we are capable of. We are a strong faction. We have our cuts and bruises, but they are minor. We are still the silent, mysterious and vengeful beast that we have always been and will always be. Our vision may be skewed by the hurricane of things going on around us, but we can't let that distrat us. If you want to be the great faction you know you are, you have to work for it. No sliding in on the coat-tails of the guy in front of you. No snapping of tempers when you get frustrated. Every single member of this faction has a purpose and a duty to the group. If you're not willing to work, then you don't belong here. There are times to work, and times to play. It may seem as if we have been working our asses off the past two months since release, but it's not over yet. It's not over til the fat lady sings, and we don't have any fat chicks in this faction, so don't even think that the end is near. We chose Enumerator as our HOME. This is where we LIVE. The community is ours, the allies are ours, the enemies are ours. This is WHO WE ARE.
If we want to continue being the FA awesomeness we know we are, we will put our foot down and stand back up. Enumerator may be falling, but we can stop that. We can MAKE it a place where people want to be. In the meantime, our backup is to create alternate characters on other servers. That was the plan from the beginning anyway. When we are the only ones left on Enumerator, THAT'S when we move. If we want to spread our strength, we have to stablize it here, and then spread. Just simply moving will do us no good. We ARE awesome. We are a GREAT faction. Now we need to PROVE it.
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Your right Grim. This is a PVP faction and those who want to really RP or who don't want to PVP chose the wrong place to be. But I thought differently when I joined FA. I guess with that said, I don't have a place in FA anymore. That my beliefs aren't on the same page anymore. Thank you for the time here. Perhaps I'll see you guys around. Take care Angels.
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Alright, despite my vacation, I've been watching this situation closely. To me this is a pretty easy decision to make...
When we first decided on Enumerator, we had one concern: that it wouldn't be THE server. We were concerned that everyone else would go to Method and we would be stuck on a crap PvP server. We stuck with Enumerator because we thought the big boys would go where we went - and we were right. Enumerator is THE server to play on. Don't believe me? The Collective have been transferring their accounts to Enumerator for a while now. Djsandman even made a petition to try to convince the MxO Staff to let the char transfer work from PvE to a PvP server. If we go to Method, we'll be moving to a dying server. WE have made Enumerator THE server to play on. Factions in Heuristic are also transferring to Enumerator en masse.
As for FA not having a reputation anymore, that's just plain BS. We are still the Mervs and Machinists #1 enemy, hands down. They all hate FA b/c we are the top Zion faction still to-date. As for Zionists, most of the anti-FA Zionites left the game. Dapharmer and the Risen Triad are really the only Zionites still around who openly hate us. Before I went out of town, I had a meeting with a couple of different Zionists to discuss an alliance. We are in the loop. I currently have two emails in my inbox with contact info for some Zion factions. Most Zion factions think that we don't want to have anything to do with them. There was even a rumor that we were going Merv. We are in the process of setting up an alliance section so that if these other "alliance"-type things don't work (like the Zion Relay), we'll be able to start something ourselves.
Enumerator is the major battleground of the Matrix and we are a major player in this war. Soon things that happen in the other servers won't matter to a majority of the community - it will all be about Enumerator. As for inactivity, it is May. Do you realize how busy a month May is for normal people? I've been swamped with real life things myself - finals, family, girls...heh. It's not permanent. We still have more activity than any other faction in-game. Most other factions have suffered great losses due to people leaving the game or splitting into many small factions. At 3:30 on a Tuesday, we still have 10 people in TS and 8 people browsing our website. I plan on being back full force in-time for the live event. I won't know completely how much free time I'll have until I find a summer job, but everyone is in that same situation.
To wrap it up, moving servers would be like suicide to the faction. We still have the reputation and manpower to be the most successful faction on Enumerator. Life sucks and people get busy, but we will still do our best. Alliances are on the priority list and so is group activities (another video? planned party? weekly meetings?). It's just slow-going right now because it is the busy season!
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Your right Grim. This is a PVP faction and those who want to really RP or who don't want to PVP chose the wrong place to be. But I thought differently when I joined FA. I guess with that said, I don't have a place in FA anymore. That my beliefs aren't on the same page anymore. Thank you for the time here. Perhaps I'll see you guys around. Take care Angels.
We're still known for our roleplay. Just check out our recruiting challenge or even how we interact with most people in-game. There just hasn't been an opportunity for many roleplay events yet. However, I don't have much patience for those who make hasty decisions such as this one without talking to me personally about it. If you are trying to claim you're leaving to make your voice heard, then that is in poor taste. I hope you find a group that makes you happy Lelyel. I'll give you a day to say your goodbyes.
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Unfortunately when I joined FA, the server was not chosen and pvp wasn't entirely on my mind, but was a possbility. I didn't agree with it when the decision was made, but again, unforunately the more veteran members were not being swayed from Enumerator. We also agreed that it would heighten the storyline events, and I agreed with that, in those situations I think PvP SHOULD be a part of the game. I was hesitant about the PvP server because I had a concept in my mind on how it would work, but it did not pan out that way.
I was afraid that it was going to be all out war once a player hits level 16, and that's how it turned out. I HAVE made other characters on other server to get away, and I find myself enjoying them more than my character on Enumerator. I DO get constantly killed, i DON'T like rush into PVP, and I DON'T agree that those who don't like to PvP should be labeled as those who don't belong in the faction. It wasn't until after we chose Enum that we included in our interview process that PvP is part of the game, and I could sense many people hesistant about answering the questions related to it. I know there's a portion of the faction that enjoys it, either for the killing sake or for RP, but I'm just not finding Enum fun anymore.
I honestly think those who find the PvP entertaining and important to be those who are level 50 and like to go out killing every red they see, and they are very influential people which most will follow. I KNOW there are others like me who would rather stay out PvP until the events and have some time of peace to play in, while being active in the faction. It's just getting frustrating trying to open some people's eyes to the other side of the story and to the opinions that are out there, but people will not come out and speak of.
If the only rebuttle is that I should have left because I don't like PvP, I'll spend more of my time on another server, if not all of my time. I joined FA while we were a RPing faction, not a PvP faction, that's what I remember and that is what I wish we still were.
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I'm sorry... but I have to agree with Lelyel here... since when has this turned into a PVP oriented faction... definatly wasnt my impression when I joined...
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Most storyline-changing events are PvP-oriented. That is in every server. Our two goals is to have fun as a group and directly impact the storyline. A major part of impacting the storyline is having the backing of a PvP army- the other half is having the RP skills to roleplay with the live events team and find out clues. I would like to think both can co-exist. I've never demanded that someone be PvP oriented or RP oriented. I only asked that you have respect with how people want to play the game. You cannot change the minds of every person in the faction - it's not possible. If you aren't willing to game with people who may not game JUST LIKE YOU, then perhaps this is not the place for you.
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Your right Grim. This is a PVP faction and those who want to really RP or who don't want to PVP chose the wrong place to be. But I thought differently when I joined FA. I guess with that said, I don't have a place in FA anymore. That my beliefs aren't on the same page anymore. Thank you for the time here. Perhaps I'll see you guys around. Take care Angels.
We're still known for our roleplay. Just check out our recruiting challenge or even how we interact with most people in-game. There just hasn't been an opportunity for many roleplay events yet. However, I don't have much patience for those who make hasty decisions such as this one without talking to me personally about it. If you are trying to claim you're leaving to make your voice heard, then that is in poor taste. I hope you find a group that makes you happy Lelyel. I'll give you a day to say your goodbyes.
Tbone, with all due respect, the only way to get people to listen around here latelty IS to threaten to leave. Those with sensible arguments are ignored and written off as not being with the ideals of the faction. Just what are the ideals of the faction right now, I ask you? We got in an all out brawl the other night in Faction chat and only maybe 2 people wanted to take all the facts into account. There seems to be a dwindling amount of support for faction mates and more concentration on grinding to 50 for this upcoming event. It's stupid to me when all we can focus on is leveling and the next PvP battle.
I've contacted you once before about issues I had with the faction and I was in disbelief in the reply that I received. Since then nothing has improved, we've gotten a whole slew of new members, which are being brainwashes into PvP machines. I love the Angels, but things are not running correctly right now and needs to be fixed.
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Your right Grim. This is a PVP faction and those who want to really RP or who don't want to PVP chose the wrong place to be. But I thought differently when I joined FA. I guess with that said, I don't have a place in FA anymore. That my beliefs aren't on the same page anymore. Thank you for the time here. Perhaps I'll see you guys around. Take care Angels.
We're still known for our roleplay. Just check out our recruiting challenge or even how we interact with most people in-game. There just hasn't been an opportunity for many roleplay events yet. However, I don't have much patience for those who make hasty decisions such as this one without talking to me personally about it. If you are trying to claim you're leaving to make your voice heard, then that is in poor taste. I hope you find a group that makes you happy Lelyel. I'll give you a day to say your goodbyes.
Tbone, with all due respect, the only way to get people to listen around here latelty IS to threaten to leave. Those with sensible arguments are ignored and written off as not being with the ideals of the faction. Just what are the ideals of the faction right now, I ask you? We got in an all out brawl the other night in Faction chat and only maybe 2 people wanted to take all the facts into account. There seems to be a dwindling amount of support for faction mates and more concentration on grinding to 50 for this upcoming event. It's stupid to me when all we can focus on is leveling and the next PvP battle.
I've contacted you once before about issues I had with the faction and I was in disbelief in the reply that I received. Since then nothing has improved, we've gotten a whole slew of new members, which are being brainwashes into PvP machines. I love the Angels, but things are not running correctly right now and needs to be fixed.
All I can promise is that I can look into the matter. I never gave orders or gave approval for people to force others into gaming a certain way. Dragging me into private on TS would be the easiest way to discuss this. By only mentioning it in a public discussion, you leave me in the dark as to what the real issues are. I'm instantly put on the defensive with what little information I may have as to what is actually bothering you.
Grinding is a choice just like Lelyel made a choice to reset her character. Who is to say who is better than the others? We are not forcing people to grind. I've never forced anyone into anything. The most I have done is ASKED if people could collect rare items from construct bosses while they level, but even that was never forced. I agree that there needs to be more of a focus on supporting the faction, but then we'd just have complaints that people can't do as they please. You claim we are trying to force people into PvP machines, yet you also claim we aren't forcing people to support the faction enough.
I've been on vacation for a week now, so I'm sure there is something deeper that is spawning all this concern than just what I know. Until I hear specifics, though, this is all I can go on.
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Although what reallty needs to be addressed at the moment, is it possible for those who wish to switch servers to create FA on another server?
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FA has turned into a PvP faction. That's not a 'bad' thing, but we are not RPers anymore. I have not seen it. As much as we talk in riddles to people, PvP is still the main focus for all those that are high lvl (have th power) in FA. The rest of us just try to either lvl up to them, or try to explain why our 15$ isn't about leveling. I'm sick of hearing about how I should be so-and-so lvl because FA could be so much stronger if we had higher levels to go kill reds.
BUT, FA is indeed a powerful faction regaurdless of the road it is leaning towards. It is powerful on a PvP server because as I had I mentioned, we're proficient at it. It seems as though FA is starting to split between PvP/High lvls who feel the faction needs to be one solid superpower, and those who are trying to enjoy the game in a different manner. It's not comforting, but I can't see myself anywhere else.I love it in FA, but am still worried.
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You can't force me to do anything, but the constant nagging of "LEVEL LEVEL LEVEL!" is a form of attempted control. Your right, T, I don't think I've ever heard you say anything along these lines, but it's around. I personally think it's annoying and understand the complaints, though it will certainly will not change how I play and how I plan to spend my cash. What it does do is make a person feel less welcomed in the faction. Now again I still think it's one of the best places to be, but there are a few members who just don't get that it's a game and they expect everyone to live it as they do.
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Before all of you leave or question that FA was never a pvp faction, I want to know because I forgot the date the original 01 construct was shut down. Did any of you join before then and have you chance to fight with us? Because you would know then that nothing has changed besides that fact the now instead of fighting in a construct, we fight wherever we need/have to
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Although what reallty needs to be addressed at the moment, is it possible for those who wish to switch servers to create FA on another server?
It's up for debate, but my own personal opinion is that I don't want FA to stand divided.
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Thank you Fuse, exactly what I'm trying to communicate. And Tizona, I joined in March so I missed the big brawl that FA had.
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need/have to?
Instance... Mara.
Mara is packed with reds ALL the time. I always hear "Mara is red, we NEED more FA here now!" Bullshit. You NEED to goto Tabor instead of walking into fire. I have no problem helping any faction member, but if I'm in the middle of something I don't need "You should have been here" "If you and others were 50 you'd be more help" to try and make me feel guilty.
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Although what reallty needs to be addressed at the moment, is it possible for those who wish to switch servers to create FA on another server?
It's up for debate, but my own personal opinion is that I don't want FA to stand divided.
It doesn't have to be divided, but to avoid losing those who share lel's and my opinions, it would allow those people to relax and enjoy gameplay as part of FA. If a major event comes up and we want all of FA together, then so be it, it can be done that way. I know you want FA to be very important to Enum and the story, but losing multiple people because they are forced to PvP (just by the rules of the server), I feel is not right.
I personally still level and play on Enum a good deal while having multiple other characters when I feel like taking a break. Who says you can't play, level and contribute with multiple characters, it is possible. I'm just trying to open up options for those who are tired of PvP or just want to have a good time without that added pressure. I'm not expecting a definitive answer here, but just supplying a viewpoint, I understand it's still in debate.
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It was not just one big brawl either. Even back before I joined FA, when ever I went into 01 there were FA there fighting. I even helped them out seeing as no one else in my faction would.
This and how I was backstabbed is what led me to join FA.
*Edit* and by need/have to I mean that if we are being attacked like for example someone is camping the proxy or stalking a mission team.
What I disagree with is fighting impossible battles, fighting the assassin for the 5th time just to see him switch orgs when the event has not even started or going to Mara with only 3 lvl 50's are examples.
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Well, we can form tactical groups more. I formed the Investigative Unit, a group devoted to searching for and solving clues related to storyline events. I guess the problem with that is that events are on specific dates (we formed it before we knew how events were going to work). We could create something similar and just form two groups to help in different areas. For instance...
Threat Response Team
These members are focused on responding to possible threats to the Furious Angels. They are to be highly-trained PvP-focused members who act as the front line army for the Furious Angels. People in this group are expected to take part in PvP strikes and, of course, defensive retaliation to threats that arise.
Publicity/Crowd Control
These members are focused on maintaining social relations with other Redpills. They are to be highly-trained in roleplay and should be able to communicate effectively and diffuse most situations by talking it through. People in this group are expected to help organize important social events, help in meetings and alliances with other factions, and promote FA through roleplay and recruitment.
This is just a rough draft, but you get the general idea. It would basically help us determine who is interested in responding to PvP situations and who would rather focus on organizing social things. This would also give us specific people to call on, so instead of hearing "Everyone get to *location* now to fight!" you might hear "Everyone in the Threat Response Team please report to *location*". I'll change the title of this thread slightly since we're getting a bit off-topic.
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When you say I should have known what i got myself into, before i even joined before prerelease i talked with Eroz about which server FA was going to participate in. I read over what a Hostile server was and basicly knew that it was like any other Lineage 2 server with gameplay and constant PVP battles. This has been a great server and I am sticking with FA forever on what ever decision is made. I purely threw out my thoughts not to be taken to heart that I hate what has become of Enumerator. Everyone is entitled to their opinion regardless whether they mean it or if they are just speaking off the top of their heads. Im with FA to the end whether we stay or go.
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I don't doubt FA's reputation for PvP or it's inclicnation for PvP. Although my background with FA stemmed from helping others, being part of the storyline events and working together as a team, THAT is what led me to join FA.
Everyone has their own exeperiences and reasons for joining FA, and it's a matter of opinion in the end.
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The point I am trying to make also is that (At least in my eyes) FA is and most likely will be a PvP faction. By being a Highly skilled PvP faction we can 99% guaranty our selves that we will be part of this story.
We did not get to the top by just having alot of people in our faction. There are probably many factions with alot more people than us. It is our skill to overcome this and still remain on top that has brought us where we are.
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I tend to barely play the game anymore because I think PVP in this game is horrendously stupid. I freaking hate getting bitched at because I won’t help PVP (sometimes even because I really dont feel like grinding to get levels so that I can get to a point where I can PVP effectivley. hehe.). If it becomes a simple PvP faction then I have to leave despite the amount of time and effort I've spent in being successful and making this faction successful - and go find another group to hang out with. Likely on a non-pvp server.
And the only roleplay I've really ever seen is the uniform responses to nonangels asking questions, and then of course when it comes to interacting with the story characters. And if typing random things while you get crushed is RP (IE ganked), maybe I've been doing something wrong these passed years. And I agree with Orien when it comes to 'knowing what I got myself into,' because I joined FA before beta and was even one of the first into Beta.
I had high hopes for the RP sense of the hostile server, but I find I have no interest for the game when I am just going to log in and be harassed by everybody.
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ok 3 things here.
A: everyone keeps talking about how we've turned into a PVP faction. that statement isnt entirely true. its not a question of us having turned into a PVP faction, its more the other way around. We've BEEN turned into a PVP faction. we didnt do this to ourselves. it was done to us. fact of the matter is you may as well paint a big red and white bulls eye on the back of my spider gi, because thats exactly what the Furious Angels tag is. comming into FA ive learned 2 things.
1: I've learned to grow some really thick skin. You have to. The amount of times ive been greenscreened, archive camped, jumped inside the archives, or just generally chased around on sight. You learn to grow thick skin. If you let the FA haters get to you, then theyve won. Fact of the matter is FA tags ARE a bullseye and you have to learn to deal with it if you want to be FA. If you all thought that being in FA was supposed to be all peace, love, and flowers... guess what. and no matter where you go your going to be a target. wether u can be PVPd or not, you will be harassed. you will be ejected from constructs, and when PVP gets turned on you will be hunted.
2: Ive learned to shoot first and ask questions later. Ive learned to have eyes in the back of my head. Ive become quite the wily one. Ive even attacked ppl while Im greenscreening coming out of my hardline. when im greenscreening the first thing i do is hit my X key. if thats a name i dont like and is within my level cap i go all guns and kungfu on his ass. if its a level above me, ive Hyper Jumped twice before the green screen is over. In constructs, im always typing /who before and after i kill tengu. I see reds, I dont ask questions. I automatically assume whats going to go down, especially if theyre in greater numbers. And sadly I have to admit that maybe I shouldnt be this way. maybe i shouldnt be so paranoid and so hasty to defend myself physically, but thats what constantly being a target inside the matrix has turned me into. and all of FA for that matter. if it werent for being a constant target, im positive we wud have been doing alot more RPing than PVPing. but we've become a creature adjusted to the habitat around us. and that habitat is a vicious one.
B: Im noticing, and maybe i miscounted, but not a single level 50 is talking about leaving enum. Why do you think that is. I keep hearing that the grind to 50 is hard because of the constant attacks. and you're right, it is. Im level 34 and i joined this faction what, a month ago, comming in the gates at level 1. Its been very hard. But once I DO reach level 50, and it WILL happen.... then what? what am i gonna do? im gonna sit there and twiddle my thumbs. Im gonna do Zero One 50 times over. Im going to hunt all the highest tier items from all the dungeons your interested in. Im going to level every single job Im interested up to 50... and then once Ive done all that, which will take u 2-3 weeks at best, then what? The fact of the matter is I hear alot of people who arent level 50 and arent thinking long term. If the devs have planned 1 week events once a month.... what the hell is there to do at level 50 for the other 3 weeks out of the month? its going to get to a point that without PVP your going to play this game 1 week a month. then youre going to say, "hey wait. why am i paying $15 to play 7 days out of a month?" youre not thinking long term. fact of the matter is the level 50's PVP cuz 1: GETTING to level 50 has turned them into constant targets and now they want some payback. and 2: THEY HAVE NOTHING BETTER TO DO. and you wont either if youre not on a PVP server. the fact is that this server migration came at a REALLY bad time for us because we have so many mid levelers who dont see the big picture @ level 50, wether u speed ur way there due to pressure, or you do it casually and enjoy it. and it also came at a bad time because the fact of the matter is that this comming event is going to be the make or break. we all know what we are doing in this environment now. we're not rookies, and the system isnt new. Its going to decide who's who in the pecking order. its going to separate the men from the boys on enumerator, and its going to determine where we as individuals belong on enumerator, if at all. it came at a bad time, but we have no choice but to choose wisely what we are going to do and try to make the best of it in the end and hope our mistakes dont come back and bite us in the ass later.
C: TBone. I know you didnt plan for this, and I know FA isnt as strong in numbers OR levels as you'd like it to be, or myself for that matter. But sometimes you have to give people room to grow as individuals. Some ppl, no matter what you or i, or anyone says, are going to want to leave. And even if they want to leave, that doesnt make them any less of an Angel in my book. Maybe its time FA had a presence on a nonPVP server. Id rather see all these, ppl, these fucking cool ppl that ive had the chance to get to know, to hang out with, to level with, and to fight along side, continue to count as my brothers, even if they are distanced from me. Maybe we should take a poll, see who wants to leave, and give them permission to start an FA Faction somewhere else, most likely method. Whatever were going to do we have to do it fast as we have til sunday. Come Monday morning i dont want a single Angel or former Angel to have any regrets about whats happened. The fact is if some ppl feel as strongly as they do, then maybe it's time we made a sister faction on another server. Wether we are ready for the losses on Enum or not. Sometimes in life you cant plan every single moment. Sometimes life throws you a curveball and all you can do is make the best of it. I think this is one of those times. are we going to lose lel and the others, wether now, or eventually, or are we going to give them room to grow as individuals within FA?
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w00t! 69th post on this thread. 51st post over all. am i still a coppertop!? YAY! FREED MIND!
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I am lvl 50.
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After reading all that, I honestly think we are meant to be on Enumerator. Even tho i've been here only 7 days. I has been a fun 7 days, despite the fact that I've been below 16 until yesterday, This faction is very well organized, even though it seems there are quite a few inactive members. Working on my RP sheet has been great fun, to know that I can contribute to the madness that I had to go through!! Its wonderful. I have seen 3 or 4 people in game, that have inquired about us, and have directed them to the followtheangel website, and I have 2 friends that are going to use friends and family keys and I told them if they get the game they should try the challenge.
I look forward to continuing on as a member of this faction no matter what happens.
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Hi all.
Great topic, love the show. Been a while since I carelessly tossed my opinion into the mix. But those of you that know me, know I can't resist to attempt to force my will on others so here are my two cents.
$0.02
Thanks, have a nice day.
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Oh btw. I almost forgot to comment on how impressed I am with the views of our new members. I do not know most of you, but from what I have read, it would appear that our recruiting has continued to filter in quality members. Everyone in this faction has a voice, and all will be heard. Thanks.
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FA is bigger is bigger than any one or few individuals. I think that if anyone expecte fhe faction's direction to change based on the personal opinions of a few, then this isn't quite the right place for you. I, like many of the others, would prefer to stick it out on Enumerator. This is home and I don't plan on moving. I think that if you really wish ti go to another server, then you have one of 2 options available to you. 1). Create another character on another server or 2). Your path takes you in a different direction than the path of the Angel. Migrate your character to a diffrent server. There should be no hard feelings involved with this.
If the leadership of FA stays the course of their original intent, but a few don't agree, do not expect the entire ship to alter course based on your personal whims or reasoning. Simply understand that maybe this isn't the faction for you. Flipping that coin, if the FA leadership chooses to move to a non PvP server, then maybe my path is different than that of the Angel.
In my past experience as leader of gaming clans/organizations, I am one to stick to my guns with my decisions unless presented with a real reason to change, be it that something just isn't working or for improvement in our established method operations and existing goals. Never have I changed the course of the entire team or group on a whim or because of personal preferences or ideas. Before founding any of my gaming teams, I've sat down and pounded out the goals and purpose of the clan and put it down in black and white. From there on out, every new member was made aware of the goals and purpose before joining. Any changes made or not made were based on those goals. The goals and purpose did not change to fit the flavor of the week/month, but rather our decisions were made to best serve the established purpose and goals. This is how stability and a firm foundation is established in any organization. Granted, many people didn't agree with how things went and many came and left. That is just the nature of the beast. You will never make everyone happy; not even within the organization, but those that do remain and support the established goals will be one of the stongest and most tightly knit groups of people you will ever encounter.
From what I understand of the purpose and goals for FA, the choice to stay on Enumerator is one that is supported by those goals and purposes.
And this is coming from someone with experience with sevaral different MMOs and a former hater full time PvP environments.
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ok fine, you're right to a certain extent phienyx. Enum is where FA belongs, there is no 2 ways about. Enum is the server to be on. Anywhere else and we'd just be a big fish in a small pond. not good enough. we're major leaguers and our key presence must be here in the major leagues. but you have yet to give a valid reason why we cant start an FA faction on another server. some people are going to leave, one way or another. Id rather have them still be FA than not. if you can provide one valid reason why we shouldnt form a faction on another server, then thats another story. but i dont see one. because its going to weaken our presence on enum? were going to lose some of these ppl wether we start another one or not. because some ppl would leave enum if given the chance, even tho they wud stay FA if not given the chance? then your just manipulating the situation to force ppl to do something theyd rather not. your giving them an unfair catch22. i would like to hear one valid reason why there cant exist another FA faction on another server for those who dont like the hostilities on Enum. my place is here. but not everyones is.
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I'm level 21. Just made 21 recently too by tagging along with Ristan who was doing a few missions with a small team. I wanted a simple five bars to get from 20 to 21 that day before I went to work.
I'm not grinding my ass off. I'm not planning on hitting 50 within the next two months. I started fresh on Enumerator when I joined FA and it was because of all of you and this faction that I gave up my PvE character to enter the PvP world.
I do not respond to hardline calls for assistance. I want to complete that damn machine gun tree so I can at least have something to my name besides "Gunman." If I'm on a mission team leeching exp, I tend to go Patcher, but even being a mere level 21, my healing doesn't do much when players have 2000+ HP.
I think buffed clothing is cool. My HP has to be about +500 (and then some, but I've capped it).
I think events are cool.
I like roleplaying because I can hop into a character I'm not in real life.
I like having enemies on Enumerator. They give me the sence that I'm not the top-dog, even with an FA tag.
I don't like how those of us who are avid MMORPGers feel about Enumerator. While some (mainly the level 50s) have reached the top, and I'm sure the money grind is a bear, there are others that have focused on one thing, and one thing only. Be it the PvP or the RP, they have tunnel vision and fail to see the entire picture.
When I roleplay, perhaps I will make the person angry. When someone gets angry, they want to fight.
-On a PvE server, this would require /duel or /pvp to complete the RP.
-On a PVP server, one can seek reinforcements to deal with the menance.
In that example, I am not justifying hardline-911-calls. I am saying that with PvP we can make the roleplay so much better than on a PvE server. However, we must remember who we are. We are the Furious Angels.
...We are the Furious Angels.
That name carries a lot of weight and with is comes great responsibility. We are leaders in the community on our server. If others do not like playing by rules and would rather gank their hearts out, remember that they will become so unbearably bored with this same monotomous task that they will either swich servers or cancel their account. We get to make it interesting. We get to set the example and lead by it. We get to form alliances to achieve our common Zion goals.
We stick together to aid our bretheren in times of need and in times of celebration. This is one of those times where we need to help each other ride this hard time out because just over the hill is the beautiful city of Oz. Only be sticking together will the Furious Angels make it through this. We can do this.[/b]
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I agree but saying you dont have the whole picture and making it wrong isnt right. People have their own tastes and it doesnt have to be everything. I like RP more than PVP but i handle PVP on a day in day out basis and i have the 2k+ CQ points to show for it. Saying i have a tunnel of vision because what i feel i want out of my 15 dollars a month is wrong everyone has their likes and dislikes and just because some people like things more than others doesnt make them less of a person.
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I don't think I ever said that forming another chapter of FA on another server COULDN'T be done, but lets face it. It isn't really our call to make. The direction of FA is in the hands of its founders and if they deem that they'd rather keep the faction intact and on one server, I would personally support that.
Forming another chapter of FA on another server would, in a sense be FA in name only vs FA with one united purpose and vision and working toward those together. If one is not able or willing to pursue the established vision of FA then having "Furious Angel" above your head on whatever server one decides to go to will merely be a tag and not much more. For many of us, having the "Furious Angels" tag represents time and effort invested, not only in the challenge, but in the whole idea behind why the Angels were formed.
What this proposes is a separate faction with different goals and purposes than FA, that just happens to call itself The Furious Angels. They''d have to have a separate communication system, being on a different world and would also have to have separate forums because what's happening on one MxO world might not be what's happening on another. One might as well start a separate faciton......a sister faction if you will, and call it something else because it wouldn't truely be FA.
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no way dude. im sorry. i totally disagree. Whats the purpose of FA? the purpose of FA is to impact the storyline. THAT is the single primary base on which all these other pillars are founded on. if people PVP, or they RP, if ppl love us or hate us, if they respect us or insult us, if we are hero's or villain's, saviours or conquerors, all that, everything else, is but 1 side of a D20(forgive the nerdy metaphor). the point of FA is to impact the storyline. its to make our mark on the matrix. and who cares if we do that on Enum, or Method, or Proxy, or Heuristic, or wherever. there is a mark to be made on EVERY server. if we have chosen Enum its because it is the flagship server of the game, its where shit goes down, but if some ppl arent comfortable with ONE aspect of what we do, that doesnt make them any less of an angel in my book. that tag over their heads doesnt stand for anything less than mine does. they can still impact the storyline, they can still be FA, somewhere else. the base is still the same. and if we have to make new forums, or new TS channels or whatever, who cares. Forums and TS channels dont make FA. the ppl make FA, and the goal makes FA. we are the ppl, and impacting the storyline is the goal. everything else is just details.
as for it being entirely in the hands of the founders, again i have to disagree. if you are talking about the external image about FA, yes, that should fully comply with TBone and the leaders views of what things should be. If you are talking strategy, or ingame objectives, wether storyline based or not, again, leaders call the shots about what we do or dont. ive lead my fair share of clans myself, and i understand that theres a line where Im puttin my thumbs up or my thumbs down and thats the end of the story, and then theres times where everyone needs to put in their 2 cents, and i can only do what the ppl want for themselves. TBone is not FA. no one individual is FA. no one individual built FA. FA is a compilation of the hard work that every single person has put into this game, into this name, into the body of FA. FA is like a house, a house that each and everyone of us laid brick. with a roof where each and everyone of us have placed shingles. no matter how many you've put in, every single person here owns a piece of this house, and ultimately they have to live in it. if enough ppl are unhappy about the conditions on Enum, but still want to remain a part of FA, then we should do our best to accomodate them. theyve laid brick and placed shingle just like you and just like me. but theyre not happy. so would you have them leave? is that it? just pack their bags and be off? i dont think thats right. the bottom line is this, ppl are going to leave, some ppl dont like Enum. that doesnt make them any less of an angel, and that doesnt mean they dont have a right to be called Angels and to follow in our goal with us, even if its on another server. it IS up to TBone to come out and say whats going to go down. but this time theres a right decision and a wrong decision here i think. this isnt just another fork in a grey road. theres black and theres white in my opinion. and whatever we're going to do, we better do it soon. we have until sunday to make a decision. are we going to just let these ppl leave, or are we going to help them? are we going to help our friends, or are we going to turn our backs on them?
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Orien, I did not mean to attack anyone, I was just pointing out that there are some people (not saying names... well, because I havn't memorized everyone's voice yet) that will put others in an uncomfortable position if they do not assist with a battle.
We are all free to do what we want, this is the Matrix. I just don't like seeing people making their problems fall on the shoulders of others.
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Well when you join a Faction (organized) group, I was under the understanding that it was for more than to be with the current "in" crowd and to have their tage above your head in game. Helping eachother and functioning as a team in and out of game is not just a part of it, it is the most important part of joining a clan/team/PA/faction. As such being a team player, you will at times (not all the time) be asked or need to do things that you may not necessarily want to do at that particular time, to assist your teammates. If you want to be free to do whatever you want, whenever you want without any repercussions, then the team thing isn't your thing and that raises the question:
"What was your purpose for joining FA?"
I am in no way trying to be nasty or combative by asking that. It is simply a question I ask when interviewing candidates for any of the teams I ran/run for any game FPS, RTS, or MMO. If everyone on the team isn't willing to be a team player when necessary to benefit the team, then their membership on that team is kinda pointless and maybe they're not looking for an organized team, but a group of social buddies. There is a huge difference.
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yes, well you are talking about 2 completely different things here. one thing is to "take one for the team" like if im in the matrix, ill stop and help someone out if its needed and not do whatever it was i was planning because im needed. or last night i was right out the door, about to shut my PC off, when eroz tells me were having an interview. what we are talking about is NEEDLESSLY letting members walk out the door because the team no longer wishes to accomodate them. no offense dude, but it seems to me that the only reason you feel so secure with your opinion is because Tbone has already said he has no desire to form another FA on another server. im sure if the roles were reversed and you were the one being left out, and i know you talked about that that you WOULD leave FA, but you'd want your 2 cents to be considered too before making that decision. this is a team, but this is also a collective of individuals. to dismiss members or let them leave because they have been detrimental to the rest of the team is one thing, but these people have done nothing wrong. and it only hurts every other individual when they realize, "what will happen to my place in the team if i feel left out?" i know that thot is running thru my head as we speak. there is no I in team, but a team is also a sum of I's and you can never forget that. it seems to me we disagree on what exactly it means to be in FA. and it seems to me, and im not trying to put words in your mouth, but you're saying that those who are unhappy with the situation but wud rather be accomodated by FA want nothing more than to have FA tags under their name, and that in such a case those tags mean nothing. i have to disagree. FA is more than just a team. it is a spirit, an ideal, and a goal. If these people have been thru the challenge like the rest of us, have fought along side us, have proven they have the spirit of FA, share the ideal's of FA, and want to reach our goal with FA, then you know what, wether they agree with the majority or not, they are no less of an Angel in my book than you or me, and they should be counted in our numbers among us, in an environment that suits them, spreading the ideals of FA to others, and reaching the goals of FA, be it in a place away from us. the needs of the many outweight the needs of the few, and if it were just one or two individuals i would say, that yes, we can not accomodate every single individual, we cant entertain every single notion that isnt inline with the views of the whole team. but i think there are enough ppl who are unhappy, that we need to stop and listen this time.
however phienyx, i have asked for a REASON why we cant make an FA faction on another server. so far i dont see it. all i see is your opinion, that while no less credible or valuable than mine or anyone elses, is that if they dont want to fall in line, then they need to ship out. all i see is opinions. if anyone can give me a logical, factual reason, as to why we cant do this, why we cant make room for our friends to grow as individuals but still be a part of us, i will glady shut the fuck up, and say, you're right boss.
but hey, im staying here on Enum. and im staying here with FA. im not going anywhere. those of you who ARE unhappy here need to speak up. or am i just representing a belief that doesnt actually exist?
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i'll go or stay... but i think that we should stay... the reason i started a character on enumerator was to join this faction... so i will go with the faction...
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Im staying to many good memories on this server and FA is here so my place is here throwing knives in peoples faces.