The Furious Angels
FA Discussion => Off Topic => Topic started by: Anonymous on May 17, 2004, 05:31:33 pm
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Okay, as the title suggests, this is on the movie Troy.
Now this was a really great movie and i would definitely see it again.
There was only one significant problem i had with it:
The trojan war lasted ten years. According to this film, it lasted 16 days.
Other problems i had were that Achilles died when a poison arrow hit him in the ankle (only one) and Aeneas was a soldier and was told by one of the gods to leave Troy and start a new life elsewhere. They also left out a lot of the actual mythology stuff, like Achilles being dipped in the river styx except for his ankle. I know this stuff was in all probability not true, but they still should have included it, even if it was just people talking about the myths and understanding that they weren't true. Okay i ahve more to say but i have to go so maybe ill post more later.
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Who cares?? Helen is HOT!!! :twisted: lol
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i thought the trojan war lasted 12 years. I agree with you that it was inaccurate but Helen was HOT!
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I agree. Helen was very pretty. I would assume 'the face that launched a thousand ships' to be as such.
But actually, I do think Brad Pitt takes the cake as far as ridiculously attractiveness. I mean, that was just obscene.
In a good way of course...;)
But getting back to what Soma mentioned, the producers of the movie specifically did not want to include any of the mythology represented in the original tale (most of which I believe was divined from Homer's The Illiad). This basically includes everything from the River Styx, to the story of Eris, to the poison arrow, et al. But I agree with you, I would've like to see some of the mythology in the movie, because I do think it was an extremely interesting and important aspect of the story.
And as far as the story 'being real', historians today aren't even completely sure where the actual war took place. Most assume it was in modern-day Turkey, near Istanbul. Nor is anyone entirely certain that there even was a 'Helen'. So a lot of what we actually consider to be fact is from Homer's poem, which for all we know, could be a complete fabrication.
But aside from all that, it was a good movie. The battle scenes and the Hector vs. Achilles scene were rad.
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Your right, there is no hard evidence that Troy even existed. Plus thei were 2 priestesses, Persaus and Casandra, who was raped during the raiding of Troy (which was prolly why she wasn't in the movie). Also Agammemnon and Menelas did not die in the Trojan war. Agammemnon was killed by his wife and her lover when he returned back home and i forget when Menelas died but it wasn't Hector that killed him.....
I'm diverging from my point, too much Pitt butt and not enough HELEN!!! hehehe
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I thought the movie had some decent fight scenes. There was just a too much filler. They could have removed about 1/3 of the stuff and still been a great movie. Also, there was just a little too much man ass. Im sure the ladies liked the whole brad pit thing, but its not something i go to the movie to see :)
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Stop lying Noise, you know you liked it :)
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Brad Pitt Ass = two thumbs up.
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Indeed...Any man who can make a leather miniskirt look remotely masculine is someone to be praised.
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Stop lying Noise, you know you liked it :)
grrrrr.... (btw that was a mean grr, not a sexual one :P )
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That's why I picked him for my picture.
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Way to go guys, you ruined the movie for me. Try putting SPOILERS AHEAD in big red letter in the title. I haven't read the story of Achilles or Troy or Homer's Oddysey or anything like that, so I don't already know the story. I haven't seen the movie yet, and now it's ruined, thank you very much, I hope you're all happy. :(
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I'm a guy, and I too have to give Brad two thumbs up on the ass. I also have to give him three thumbs up for getting the double team from those two ladies. DAMN!!!!!!! And Helen was foxy. And Bloom was a little bitch and when he tried to kiss Helen he missed her face. lol
And in response to Troy not existing, there is historical evidence that Troy existed. They found the ruins of the city. But it was something like, they don't know which Troy was the one in the war because they discovered layers of cities or something and there are actually like 10 different cities built and wrecked on the same spot.
I also really liked the clothes they all were wearing, and, in Helen's case, not wearing.
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I thought the movie had some decent fight scenes. There was just a too much filler. They could have removed about 1/3 of the stuff and still been a great movie. Also, there was just a little too much man ass. Im sure the ladies liked the whole brad pit thing, but its not something i go to the movie to see :)
Everybody goes to the movie to see Brad Pitt's ass.
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I have to see troy, but I am holding the stocks until the ever present Alien versus Predator. COME ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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i still aint seen it yet but its out soon in England which is good.
hhmmm this film sounded like it got even better if HELEN is HOT
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And Bloom was a little bitch and when he tried to kiss Helen he missed her face. lol
Lol i completly agree. I went with a couple friends to see it. Afterwards we pretty much all had the same opinion... I cant believe that little fairy. Paris killed Achilles!
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Paris killed Achilles!
And I hate him for that. She said 'no!' jerk!
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Way to go guys, you ruined the movie for me. Try putting SPOILERS AHEAD in big red letter in the title. I haven't read the story of Achilles or Troy or Homer's Oddysey or anything like that, so I don't already know the story. I haven't seen the movie yet, and now it's ruined, thank you very much, I hope you're all happy.
The, uh, title of the thread indicated it was going to be solely about the movie =( =( Any review you read will also have the same spoilers as certain parts of the Troy story are pretty well known.
I cant believe that little fairy. Paris killed Achilles!
Bloom played Paris exactly as he ought to have been played (pretty risky move given the actors star status). I thought it was pretty well done. But I was disappointed in the death scene. I thought Paris killed Achilles while Achilles was fighting someone else (hence, the act was more cowardly than that) ... plus, this way it just seemed kind of petty with his cousin yelling for him to stop.
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1. The Illiad was based around Gods, that is why they went to war in the first place (golden apple), not having Gods in it is like having the Matrix without machines! Various Gods fought on each side.
2. Achilles left the war (which was 10 years long) after a row with Agamemnom over a slave girl and only rejoined when his best friend Petroclus was killed by Hector. Achilles body is supposed to be COVERED by armour made by Hephaestus (God of forging) and yet in the film he isn't.
Sorry to bitch, and there are other things that I am bound to be able to bitch about once I have actually seen the film! But I just hate it when people make films about books and do it wrong.
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I was under the impression whoever dipped him in the armor was holding him by the heel, and that part of his body was not covered. This leads to the term Achille's Heel, meaning the weakness in the armor.
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Actually in the myth he was dipped by his heel in the river Styx becomming invincible everywhere on his body except his heel.
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You should never expect a movie based off of a book to have everything the book does. The key word here is based. Troy was based off of The Iliad, which means that the movie doesn't have everything that The Iliad does. But despite there being a few things left out of the movie, I still found it to be quite enjoyable.
Did anyone else find themselves unsure of who the wanted to win? In the fight where Hector took on Achilles, I found myself stuck in the middle wanting both men to win the fight. But in the end, I guess the right man won. I mean, come on. It's Brad Pitt....
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My favorite character was Hector. I was devastated when he lost. Seriously, bawling girl extraordinaire.
The problem with the book is that it was EPIC. A movie cannot adequately portray a 12-year war. On the other hand, without that length of time, Achilles' refusal to fight seemed somewhat petulant. ("I'll help" "I won't help" "I'll help!").
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Lol. That's a good point though. Obviously the movie wouldn't be as popular if it really was true to the whole 12-year war plot-line, but it did kind of condense the character relationships to the bare minimun necessary for anything to make sense.
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Soma...
Youre killing me dude... the point is that the myths that we know today are only that: stories. The whole point of troy was to portray a more realistic story. In the movie achilles was just a good warrior looking for fame. He was killed realistically with arrows in the chest. However, notice that he pulled all of the arrows out except for the ankle one?? Yes, that is how the others found his body, with one arrow. Now since they perseved him as invincible, and he only had one arrow in his ankle, then isnt that a conceivable origin of the legend? Yes, yes it is.
Now, it is very nice that you have this knowledge of the legend of troy, and very impressive that you could watch a film with such a scrutinizing eye...however, lets think before we talk. Being smart is sweet and all, but being smart with what we say is respectable.
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http://www.livejournal.com/users/cleolinda/99710.html
this summed it up, for all the people who either CAN"T go to the movies...or who DON"T but....here ya go....just passing this along...I got a kick out of it
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Silas...
You're killing me dude.....I never said that they should have had gods in the movie and stuff. What I'm saying is that the myths should have been involved somehow. Like people should have talked about how Achilles was believed to have been dipped in the river Styx. The fact that they completely ignored even mentioning the myth content except for the little boy at the beginning saying achilles could not be killed was what i didn't like. They should have somehow involved it, though it wud have been really terrible if they actually had all the myth stuff as reality in it. So i am just saying that they should have at least mentioned/conversed about it somewhere in the film.
Also, in response to "However, notice that he pulled all of the arrows out except for the ankle one?? Yes, that is how the others found his body, with one arrow. Now since they perseved him as invincible, and he only had one arrow in his ankle, then isnt that a conceivable origin of the legend? Yes, yes it is." I have to say, no, no it isn't. My guess is that the greeks were pretty smart and not complete dumbasses and would have noticed the BIG GAPING HOLES IN THE MIDDLE OF ACHILLES' CHEST.
Now, it is very nice that you have knowledge of the medical field, and very impressive that you are able to read the tabloids.......however, lets think before we talk. Being a smart ass sucks and all, but being.....o no wait it just sucks.
P.S. What is unrealistic about a poison tipped arrow?
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lol thats pretyy funny stuff LD:lol:
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Ya LD, i actually read through almost the whole thing and laughed the whole way. That was awesome! Imma send it to all my friends so they can read it.
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LOL! LD that's hilarious.
There's a really, really funny parody/plot-summary of the LOTR movies out there somewhere...*snaps fingers* If i could only remember the site...
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LD- Wicked funny. Nice find. Haven't laughed like that in a while.
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OMG that was the best find ever!
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I just saw troy.. has to be one of the best movies I've ever seen. I won't get into the good details.. just disapointments.
Ajax was killed by Hector? Umm.. actually he killed himself.
The movie made 10 years look like a month, tops.
Achillies died before they sent in the horse.
Made it look like, almost, that he died from the arrows in his chest (obviously, he showed no pain when those hit him) and he got shot in the heel. Bad marksmenship? Nope. Arrow was guided by Apollo for revenge, if you will. Glad they left that in though.