The Furious Angels
FA Discussion => Off Topic => Topic started by: Jeyk on November 10, 2005, 08:11:00 pm
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This first post will serve as a warning that this thread will be a discussion about the ending of The Path of Neo. Be warned, anything beyond this post will be a spoiler if you haven't yet beaten the game.
SPOILER ALERT!
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So, let's discuss this goofy ass ending.
First we have the Wachowski's showing up as 8-bit characters and dumping Megasmith in our laps. And after you beat him, you see Zion cheering and the "sunrise" all to the cheerful tune of "We Are The Champions."
Well, considering that it was all a big joke and since I have a sense of humor, I thought it was funny.
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Dude, I laughed my ass off when Orien told me about it. When I actually saw it I was tearing at the eyes it was so hilarious. It was so intentionally lame that it was genius. The damn "We are the champions" was just too much.
["The jesus stuff in video games is just lame. So we suggested to have you fight*deep voice* A GIANT MEGASMITH MONSTER"]
Oh man. The Wachowski's are geniuses. That was the perfect slap in the face to all those people who didn't like the ending of the trilogy.
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It was the best ending of a game I have ever seen.
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Yea the Mooninites was a major surprise when i first saw it and was cracking up so much I almost died when I fought Mega Smith after the fact.
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I loved it. I've never laughed so hard at a video game. To be honest, if the movie had ended like that, I would have seriously considered homicide. But after all the talk and all the hype surrounding this super secret alternate ending, I couldn't help but laugh.
At first when I saw the 8-bit Wachowski's, I thought, "You've gotta be kidding me." I thought that was the extent of the joke, and the deep philosophical ending would be coming soon. Then, as I saw the beautiful CG of the Mega Smith being formed, I said aloud, "You've gotta be kidding me." Ok ok, it's a typical video game ending, but when do we get to the mind-blowing philosphy? Then, when I began to hear Queen, I fell onto my bed and cracked up. "You've gotta be KIDDING me!" The Wachowski's pulled a fast one on me, and I took it hook, line, and sinker.
I think it was a bit of satire on the Wachowski's part after all the bad reviews of Reloaded and Revolutions. Everybody who hated the theatrical ending to Revolutions was expecting Neo to live and have the happy music playing in the background. The Wachowski's are seemingly poking fun at such an ending (as well as at the people that expected it) by making it as cheesy as possible in the video game.
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I'm mixed.... Part of me feels like its a disservice to the matrix... but then again the ending isn't really supposed to be apart of the matrix Realm neway.
the other part... couldn't help laughing. I've scene the clips of the congress stage... that part's the best!
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Yea, but you have to see. All the Wachowski's heard was criticisms of an ending that is pretty damn perfect for a movie of that nature. So, as a nice kick in the face of all the idiots who didn't like it and didn't get it, they dumb it down and give it a very played out lame ending that is just so clitche' that it's damn hilarious.
It's sort of a peek at what the movie could have turned into if they would have kept to the whole black and white/good and evil mentality the first film had and had someone like Paul WS Anderson write the final action scene. Coming from people like them, I think it's pure genius; kudos to the Wachowskis. It takes a truly admirable to person to make fun of something they had created themselves and love so much.
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lol
you know people that didn't understand the ending of Revolutions are STILL not gonna get it though...
their gonna be like "OMGWTF?!?! THIS GAME SUXORS!" because their too dumb to realize that that was the ending they wanted in revolutions to begin with... kinda.
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haven't read anything posted because i'm still playing it. probably won't be in MxO or TS til i finish. i think the game is fun, but so far the i'm dissapointed that i'm not seeing more story that was missing from the movies. was hoping there would be a lot of this to answer some questions and bring up new ones. i have only finished the first movie worth of lvls, tho, so maybe it gets better.
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After you beat the game, at the selevt stage screen, the last level is called Zion Archives. Does anyone know what to do in there?
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Nope.
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******* For Bentonn*******
Yes, the game gets much better in terms of action and kick ass stuff once you become The One.
******back to discussion********
I think the archives are just there to show off some wacky models they put together that aren't even really in the game. I really do wish they would have added more to the revolutions story. I never thought that right after the burly brawl, it would jump you right into the super burly brawl. They should have shortened those damn annoying training constructs and added more of those bluepill rescue missions. Nothing gets better than that Skull's Lament level. That is something you can tell the Wachowskis did because it actually has some philosophical bearing and fits the movie's feel very well.
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larry wachowski basically breaks down exactly what happens in revolutions, but nobody wants to hear that shit so they sped it up.. but it's heavy on information you can spend a few weeks learning about...
like i was just thinking about the concept of satori that same day, and the day before, and currently one of my anime shows they're fighting the priest satori.... it's a zen buddhist concept, and neo's blindfold thing always reminded me of a true zen master.
one of the best video game endings in a long ass time.. game endings are all stupid lately.. but this is better than some fake cliche ending that gives into the demands of 'wannabe fans' who think they understood the matrix, but just didn't like the last two because they can't comprehend fractal mathematics, quantum physics, and spirituality/philosophy..
notice in this game, they use lots of fractals now.. like everytime you pick out your abilities, behind neo's rsi is a fractal, and yada yada...
i always bring it up as a tool to teach people about the matrix, seems the wachowskis have noticed that i've been alone in trying to break it down, so they just smother us with fractrals in the game instead..
Edward Frenkin thinks the universe is a computer simulation.
http://www.digitalphilosophy.org/
http://www.ri.cmu.edu/people/fredkin_edward.html
http://portal.acm.org/results.cfm?query=%2Bauthor%3AP75206&querydisp=author%3AEdward%20Fredkin&coll=GUIDE&dl=GUIDE&CFID=60112327&CFTOKEN=35364440
http://www.ai.mit.edu/projects/im/ftp/poc/fredkin/Finite-Nature
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Fredkin
they both went to this magnet school by my house growing up so they're big time geeks..
but yeah, they grew up catholic, but you'll usually catch them reading the baghavad gita or comic books, or S.E.S. from Ken Wilber is the last thing I remember Larry actually read with his dad.
but um yeah, they both majored in advanced mathematics and minored in world religions... now how the heck did they go on to make movies..
in case you're wondering, andy is more of the action kinda guy, larry is a bit deeper ;x
There is a pinball game hidden, and there might be an empty slot on the level select screen for a hidden apu battle that should fit in perfect with that empty slot, as if you had the chance to play, that's where the level would be located..
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hmmm...
well, just beat it. yeah, i get the joke.
/not laughing
i'll have a full rant about this tomorrow.
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I have a question. I got fed up in the training level and let the Agents catch me. What cut scene do you see if you don't let them catch you?
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You let them catch you... jeeez.... no. j/k.. I am going to buy the game tomorrow when I get paid... w00t!!
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I got a bit fed up of all the running about
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I have a question. I got fed up in the training level and let the Agents catch me. What cut scene do you see if you don't let them catch you?
If you're talking about the "Lobby Dreams" scene where the game is determining your skill level, the next opponent after the agent is an exile that looks a bit like Seraph. He's hard as hell because he teleports a lot and his life bar goes down very slowly.
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If you are refering to metacortex, basically you end up running out of the building and catch a ride with trinity on her bike... pretty cool, but same outcome.
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The "Lobby Dreams" scene goes like this.
1st round - Security guards
2nd round - Police officers
3rd round - Soldiers
4th round - SWAT Team
5th round - Agent
6th round - Exile
Final Round - Agent Smith
When you beat Agent Smith you are able to play with "The One" Difficulty setting.
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Yeah I didn't manage to beat the SWAT Team, did most of them but a couple I had left got me. So it's just Trinity on a bike. Huh. I was really hoping for some more "movie style" cut scenes from within the game engine, like they did in ETM, but no such luck.
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i was very dissapointed with this game, even though i thought the gameply was great.
for one, the cutscenes were so disorganized, if it wasn't for the fact that i've seen the trilogy a couple hundred times, i would have had no idea what the hell was going on. it took away from the experience. when i got to the final smith battle, it was so anti-climatic.
the story never once kept me interested. beat one lvl, watch some bad edits, repeat. it did not feel like i was playing through the movies.
and even though the combat was fun, besides 2 lvls, it was all virtually the same. fight some SWAT members, then 3 agents. of course, they were creative enough to mix it up a little and have us fight giant ants....
/vomit
also, i was hoping for some extra story that was not in the movies. there was a great oppurtunity to do this, in the section between M1 and M2, but all they did was give us rescue missions. besides the random edited scenes inbetween lvls, there was no story content. very dissapointing.
and the ending. haha. funny. the wachowski's joking on all the people that didn't like the way the trilogies ended. that joke cost me $50. i feel ripped off.
i think it's cute how they take their franchise so lightly. oh, but i think they already used the big giant monster joke in MxO.
http://www.followtheangel.org/index.php?module=PostWrap&page=archives
but, whatever.
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Did anyone get this on PC that can possibly upload an ISO? *wink*
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i suppose i could try... but last time i tried uploading something big it would get borked and stop along the way =/
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If your ulploading it to Fuse server, he has it set were all you should have had to do was hit restart. (Transfer in binary.)
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and the ending. haha. funny. the wachowski's joking on all the people that didn't like the way the trilogies ended. that joke cost me $50. I feel ripped off.
I think it's cute how they take their franchise so lightly.
First off, in the larger scheme of things, $50 really isn't all that much.
Secondly, I'd be sorely disappointed if I one day discovered that the Wachowski's weren't able to poke a little fun at themselves. I can't stand people that take themselves so seriously that when they fumble up just once, they're ready to kill.
The brothers have made so much money on this franchise that you'd think they've been given a license to print their own hundred dollar bills. But through it all they've remained humble enough to be able to joke about it.
I admit I was basically duped out of $50 for a phony alternate ending, but hey, I'm human. But the joke wasn't on the gamers. We didn't pay $50 so the Wachowski's could laugh at us. We paid $50 so we could laugh with them, at all the people that prefer the intellectual laziness of the typical "Happily ever after" ending.
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k i'm uploading the game now, along with the mini image so that once you install you can go ahead and delete the full iso to save some space. This puppy has Drive emulation detection so you might wanna get Anti-blaxx if you don't have it already.
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******Opinion******
I agree with you Bentonn, in some ways;but differ mostly.
I didn't care much for the chopped together cut scenes either. They didn't explain anything story wise and unless you'd seen the actual movies, you were pretty much lost. However, the movies were always criticized for their "lack of story" (total bullshit) so they did that on purpose and went the other way with this one, I think.
Of course the game wasn't anything spectacular outside of the combat. I mean, shit, if a game did as bad as ETM, you think companies would give you a shit load of money to try and make the game better next time? The answer is. unfortunately. no. It's all business, so, maybe next time they'll get the budget and hardware deserving of the franchise.
I agree with Manic. You can only truly poke fun at something you love so much. Kevin Smith made a film career out of star wars jokes and stuff because he loved the stuff so much he couldn't help but make fun of it.
Next, look what happened last time when the Wachowskis included extra story content in a video game. The game was ripped for it's gameplay but never praised for the great insight into the reloaded and revolutions story. It gave some minor characters a time to shine and let you look at Reloaded in a whole new perspective.
Lastly, I think the Wachowskis are bored with all the crap they've had to take with the films and games and comics and shit. Orien and I look at this as a way of the Wachowskis wiping their hands clean of the matrix franchise by making some great inside jokes, throwing in some absurdity, and one level with a bit of philosophical stuff in it.
Was this a waste of 50 bucks? I think not. But hey, that's my opinion. I had a fun time kicking ass as Neo and laughing at the jokes they threw in. Will the Wachowskis make another game and add more story? Who knows. All I know is that this game proved what they can do with the current gen...imagine what they can do with the next gen and a higher budget.
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Ooooh, time for my opinion! I bought the game so I could beat the shit out of people as Neo, and I generally enjoy third person action games. I agree with the mixed feelings on the ending, but oh well.
All in all, I paid $50 for cool ass, repetitive bullet-time kung-fu action that made my dick hard and I got exactly what I was looking for. I thoroughly enjoyed it minus the "giant ant funhouse" level.
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TMI lol.
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kung-fu action that made my dick hard
you know, i gotta admit. it kinda made my dick hard as well.
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..speaking of EtM, I never played all the way through it. can anyone post a link that has the specifics of what happened story wise?
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http://db.gamefaqs.com/console/ps2/file/enter_the_matrix_plot.txt
cp to your browser
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Haha, some of the theories on Revolutions posted in that FAQ are hilarious.
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thx
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I read so many theories... it would just be nice one day to know WHY they did things the way they did - what they meant you know? I reckon they lost track and let the viewers add more to the plot than they intended...
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i kind of agree. i'm sure they left so many things without explanation to leave room for us to come up with what we think. i never tire of reading everyone's theories. i even think the wachowski's don't necessarily have an explanation for everything in the matrix world. they say they have the first year of MxO story already written. after that, what? i wouldn't doubt that they end up continuing the story with some ideas of the fans. their have been some great ones.
btw, i checked out that ETM FAQ and this was what I find the most interesting:
Man : 72 hours... 72 hours.
Niobe : What did you just say?
Man : That's exactly how long Zion lasted last time.
Niobe : What do you mean, and who are you?
Man : Me? Nobody, just a spectator enjoying the ride. Hahaha... 72 hours.
any ideas to who this was? a survivor from a previous version?
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I recall someone saying something like that in a subway station. Are subway stations somehow outside the Matrix universe? In the way that Neo got stuck there in the white station (the name of which I forget). Maybe it's a political statement about the homeless being invisible, or maybe I made that up. Or maybe it's something about our desire to only go underground when we have to, or maybe I made that up too.
:p
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Man : 72 hours... 72 hours.
Niobe : What did you just say?
Man : That's exactly how long Zion lasted last time.
Niobe : What do you mean, and who are you?
Man : Me? Nobody, just a spectator enjoying the ride. Hahaha... 72 hours.
any ideas to who this was? a survivor from a previous version?
It was the Trainman. It was actually a pretty creepy scene.