The Furious Angels
FA Discussion => Off Topic => Topic started by: Fuse on October 15, 2007, 10:33:15 am
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MSNBC Reports Ron Paul Straw Poll win....Kinda of.
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/200.../14/410525.aspx (http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/10/14/410525.aspx)
READ THE COMMENTS! lol
Also take a look at his other straw poll wins... crazy.
http://www.ronpaul2008.com/straw-poll-results/ (http://www.ronpaul2008.com/straw-poll-results/)
And this guy...what an idiot:
http://www.cnbc.com/id/21257762 (http://www.cnbc.com/id/21257762)
So if many people support a candidate, it must be hacking! What a load of crap.
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Ron Paul = Neville Chamberlin
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Ouch. That's a rough statement. I don't see the connection though.
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Basically at every chance or debate he is in he blames the US for the terrorist attacks on 9/11. Basically saying it's our own fault that 3000 people were killed. He ignores the entire length and breadth of history and the nature of evil.
He is a 21st Century Neville Chamberlin...
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I never got the impression blame was put on the US. I got the impression he was trying to explain why people dislike the US and want to fight us. How appropriate is it to think we can do things without retalliation? "Those who do not understand thier opponents arguments do not completely understand thier own"
Even with that said, I still think a very large bomb should have just been dropped on the mid east. Guess that's why I'm not pres though.
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......Even with that said, I still think a very large bomb should have just been dropped on the mid east. Guess that's why I'm not pres though.
That's what we had to do to stop Japan. If people's interest is in saving the lives of American soldiers, then this might be the only option.....but in a 'politically correct' world, this would never fly. Unfortunately, the terrorist community intends to do as much damage as possible be it over here or over there and political correctness is the last thing on their mind. They don't even have the courtesy to limit their attacks to only combatants.
So why is it again that we are playing by "the rules"?
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Ron Paul raised over $4 million dollars online yesterday in 35,000+ separate contributions. Breaks online fundraising record.
http://www.leftinthewest.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=1183
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8SO0SCG0&show_article=1
http://www.ronpaul2008.com/
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Great documentary...
I expect those who support Ron Paul to veiw it, but I urge those who don't to take a looksie as well.
http://quicksilverscreen.com/watch?video=16044 (http://quicksilverscreen.com/watch?video=16044)
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All I know is tht my mom said never to trust a man with 2 first names.....
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Or you can vote for Fred "I don't know shit" Thompson or Mike "I just found out something that was known for 31 hours" Huckabee or for Mr. 911, the man who exploits victims by bringing up the tragedy for political gain despite being nothing like a real Republican. I always thought he should move to San Franciso and be a Democrat, but he figures he'll go with the party that's main demograph is people who are not used to questioning authority because they have strong faith in what it is they believe.
But I forgot to mention I support Ron Paul, finally a Republican speaking of things I haven't heard of since the Barry Goldwater days. I like to provoke debate and thought, especially when trying to cite conspiracies. But I haven't read or seen a conspiracy vid or website talking about weird alien shit or loose change type crap in quite a while, but I have however gone thru a phase where I was heavily absorbing information or junk like that, but I've seen the light and I realized what I've always been. I'm a Republican, a real one that honors the constitution, that doesn't think that Religion & Politics should mix because it will turn us into one of those Islamic nations where religious law is the absolute law of the land. Real Republicans aren't religious zealots or radicals like we've grown accustomed to seeing on the TV or based on the people they choose to lead.
Anyways I expect Ron Paul and Barack to be the only ones I can deal with despite one's liberal stance, but at least I know he doesn't pretend to be both a Neo-Con and a Liberal like Hillary.
What's to be found @ the link I've provided is neither of Republican or Conservative nature: http://www.newamericancentury.org/statementofprinciples.htm
We're supposed to be a moral authority in the world, not the world's enforcers.
..also Broin, just because someone is explaining the concept of blow back to people and what the consequences of our actions in another region of the world has led to, does not mean they are placing blame on our country, because the American people weren't the ones who said we should help arm Taliban resistance against people like the Soviets. We the American people weren't the ones that decided to sell yellow cake to Iraq so that they could use it on the Kurds. We didn't get a choice on those things, but we were told to shut up and support it and have faith in our leadership as if we were being told biblical doctrine.
I mean you got a Neo-Con running around on this campaign trying to get votes by exploiting the memories of a tragedy to get political gain despite marrying his cousin and being married several times and dressing up in drag on more than one occasion. I mean that last bit is funny and shows he's quite the liberal candidate posing as a conservative Republican. He has never called himself a Neo-Con but it's quite obvious he is neither liberal nor conservative. Neo-Cons are xenophobic nationalists that want to change the world around them to suit their tastes and to serve the corporations who've put the most money into their campaigns. Trust me, a politician that doesn't do what his major contributors ask him to do is asking for trouble. This is also quite evident. I mean you've seen 24, and that ridiculous torture fetish show with too much shit going on in one day, has certain elements of truth to it obviously. Remember when Palmer was told to do what was asked of him? Despite how fake that show can be and how realistic it is at times, they pointed out the very obvious of how REAL politics is conducted.
Oh but what do I know, people think I'm just some dumb kid that gets baked all the time and reads alien conspiracies and shit about templars or masons. I've had an interest in those things because I've always wanted to write a story or something similar using some of those weird elements to set the vibe. I'm an old school comic book nerd and video game freak, and I love watching films and tv, so of course I'm into all sorts of fiction or non-fiction as long as it's entertaining or interesting. I like to say "What if" because imagination is a good thing to have, it's also fun to analyze those "What if" scenarios because that's what a nerd does. Shows like Battlestar Galactica are perfect examples of the kind of stuff I wish I was involved in writing or working on.
So yeah just because I'm the guy that's always trying to talk about conspiracies or I say Bush orchestrated something, doesn't mean I lack common sense. Sometimes I do things to provoke reactions or opinions or try to find out exactly what people know. One of my favorite subjects is political philosophy or even trying to explain post-modern concepts to people. Besides if certain people were to say that Bush is a war criminal or something like that, they are entitled to opinion since the leadership doesn't represent everyone, especially when the leadership in question got less votes the first time around and hijacked ohio the second time, but that's neither here nor there...Either way it's an opinion I feel is valid. To bash the Bush admin. was considered Anti-American at one point by the radicals who've infiltrated the party, yet the same people who'd call you Anti-American for bashing Bush administration's policies were doing the same to Clinton. We go thru this every time someone is elected, the other half that didn't vote for the guy who wins will always talk shit about that person.
When Clinton was around I used to read what are called right-wing conspiracies and those are far more insane than aliens and mason conspiracies or shit like loose change. I mean these right wing conspiracy nuts are afraid of the UN or anything that tries to help bring people together, seeing any potential UN leader as an Anti-Christ or stupid shit like that. Then you have crazy right wingers that wish the apocalypse would happen so that they can be one of those lucky people saved in the rapture and also because it will prove to the world that they were right about their religious beliefs. People like this crazy lady and her ilk, and it disgusts me myself since I consider myself somewhat religious, but not as much as this lady here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyJI9xDUYV8 (no it's not a link relating to that stupid westborough bapist church)
That is disturbing and it reminds me of the sort of people that vote for people like Giulliani or Bush... The only people I know that even like those guys don't even live in a city, they live in rural farmland areas or in the boonies or a suburb or a nice neighborhood where they don't have to deal with global reality.
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities" - Voltaire
The next two quotes, I've just discovered but they speak volumes to someone like me that has always considered this a nation of all races and religions as opposed to a Christian nation which some people profess that we have been or are. We are far from being a Christian nation in our history, let alone we shouldn't become one. People came here to escape Religion dominating Politics.
"In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot.... they have perverted the purest religion ever preached to man into mystery and jargon, unintelligible to all mankind, and therefore the safer engine for their purpose." - Thomas Jefferson
"Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and unfits it for every noble enterprise." -James Madison
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you work on that all night man?
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I'm waiting for something so I decided to try to expand on that and fix any grammar that I'm honestly quite lazy to fix at this time, but I'm bored either way. Also some things are important enough to take the time to think about or talk about.
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Ron Paul on Leno tonight. Catch it.
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this is an interesting thread. please, continue.
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When Fox denied him just airtime, he bought his own in NH. Here is what was aired.
Part 1:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxldrCsVByA
Part 2:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VQcpmfT0f4
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The man is good.
Though I disagree somewhat with his stance on federal government's role in education. There needs to be a national minimum standard for the curriculum (us and world history, math, english, science, health <-- not just sex ed, but basic first aid and study of common diseases/health problems) so that local communities don't go preaching intelligent design crap in their classes or telling their kids that chinese babies are spawned from lizards and you can get pregnant by screwing men in the ass.... or can you... o.O
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Ron Paul is Magneto:
(http://geeksyndicate.net/wp-content/gallery/random_photos/ronpaulismagneto.jpg)
Please note that this image does not represent my political stance on the guy, of which I have none, nor is it indicative of any opinions I may have about Magneto. It is simply the result of about ten minutes spent in photoshop after a comment made by a friend of mine. :)
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HA! funny.
Check this out.. FOXs own text poll. RP wins.
(http://nirnroot.net/SC-FoxDebateResults-Final.jpg)
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Well put post in the AOL poll RP is currently winning... (yeah yeah, he wins every online poll - doesn't say much)
Ron Paul's message...
Limited Government
Real Respect for the constitution.
(No laws that attack our individual civil liberties... exe: the Patriot Act. Warrantless Wire-tapping, suspension of Habeus Corpus...etc.)
No personal income tax
(though there are still plenty of taxes that ARE constitutional and actually do something other than take away our income.)
No policing of the world, no nation building.
(It's high time the rest of the world acted like adults and took a little responsibility for themselves.)
Sound Economic Policy.
(return to pre 1971 gold backed dollar to stop inflation, and restore global confidence in the now rapidly devalueing dollar.)
Defense of OUR National Borders
(Currently we spend trillions over-seas to protect the borders of foreign nations... some of which are despotic dictatorships, all the while thousands and thousands of undocumented illegals cross our borders with no regard for our laws every year. If Al-Quaeda wanted to sneak terrorists into the U.S. they just need a vacation in Tijuana first, then a hop skip and a jump and they're in the U.S.A. This does not make sense.)
and there's more... CRAZY ideas, where that came from...
What are the other candidates plans for our nation, do they even say? Can they explain how we'll pay for it? Can they convince you with their records that the vague campaign promises they make will hold any water once they're elected?
Let's not forget this message.
Ron Paul is the most honest man in Congress.
Ron Paul has the most consistent, fiscally conservative voting record of any elected official in the last 100 years.
Ron Paul has the integrity to tell the truth, even when it isn't what people want to hear.
even when the main stream media tries to slander this fine and patriotic Ph.D.
Dr. Paul is waking up the nation.
and he makes The message clear.
Do not be distracted by the 9/11 truthers.
Do not be scared by the enthusiasm of Dr. Paul's supporters. (they just act crazy to get your attention)
Do not let the biased media tell you how to vote.
Heck, don't even let ME tell you how to vote.
look him up. RonPaul2008.com
get informed, and get out to vote... while it still can make a difference.
I also find this interesting... Even though this particular image is from Q3 of last year, it resembles donations from Q2 and last I heard projected Q4 (unsure if final Q4 amounts had been tallied)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v392/rubixx/1-1.jpg)
The only candidate very clear about getting out of Iraq right now gets the most support? I'm not shocked.
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The only candidate very clear about getting out of Iraq right now gets the most support? I'm not shocked.
Anyone who is/has served in the armed forces or has a family member/close friend who is/has served knows that the ultimate goal is to not use force against anyone and likewise not to have force imposed on the military. Policing another country is NOT our job and against our constitution. Any soldier will tell you that they will give their life for the job, but no sane/rational person wants to kill or die and a soldier wants to think he's doing his job for a greater cause.
Let's compare the greater cause:
Defensive wars which defend the sanctity of our rights and freedoms. This is what our founding father's had in mind and what Ron Paul wants us to move back to.
Aggressive wars which attack other nations without a declaration of war and policing/occupying said nations.
Now I don't agree with Ron Paul on the idea that we should get rid of all our foreign military bases. From a strategic standpoint it makes sense that friendly nations band together to have a network of defense AND emergency response points. When the tsunami's hit, and Bill Clinton pointed this out, America's ability to send it's military force there in a short amount of time to help with rescue, recovery and rebuilding efforts made us as a country look really good in the international community (it was a talking point on "exporting good will").
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again, interesting. However, I am not familiar with your constitution, could you explain how it is unconstitutional please.