Title: Re: Obama Wins Peace Prize
Post by: Anamodiel on October 09, 2009, 07:29:24 am
"hopes the award will strengthen Mr. Obama's commitment to promoting peace and the eradication of poverty." "boost the president's ability [to bring] regional peace."
Maybe receiving my diploma 2 years early will strengthen my commitment to being a better student. Maybe giving the Lions the Superbowl trophy will boost their ability to win games.
Or are awards for people who have done something to earn them?
Title: Re: Obama Wins Peace Prize
Post by: Adad on October 09, 2009, 08:09:01 am
This makes no sense... I just saw a break in special report on it on TV... I'm with Ana. Don't you actually have to accomplish something to get this? Maybe I'll get it next year for sitting here doing nothing!
He's speaking now, at least he even admitted he does not deserve to be considered in the same company with those who have won it.
Title: Re: Obama Wins Peace Prize
Post by: Lithium on October 09, 2009, 09:06:00 am
Because you're black! -Leathal Weapon 2
Title: Re: Obama Wins Peace Prize
Post by: Fuse on October 09, 2009, 09:13:14 am
I purposely held back opinion until someone else said it...
Apparently you get the peace prize for intention instead of accomplishments - because HE HASN'T DONE ANYTHING YET! Sure as hell didn't do anything in the two weeks he was President before the nomination for the damn thing...
Title: Re: Obama Wins Peace Prize
Post by: Fuse on October 09, 2009, 09:27:46 am
Quote from: "Fuse"
Sure as hell didn't do anything in the two weeks he was President before the nomination for the damn thing...
How To Win The Nobel Peace Prize In Only 12 Days (http://lostlocalhost.com/?view=plink&id=256)
Title: Re: Obama Wins Peace Prize
Post by: Tecknik on October 09, 2009, 09:28:11 am
Nobel Peace Prize just became a joke.
Let's give it to Ronald McDonald next year.
Then it'll be two clowns in a row!
Title: Re: Obama Wins Peace Prize
Post by: Lits on October 09, 2009, 01:19:24 pm
Yeah I'm with the 'he hasn't earned it yet' crowd... but he didn't ask the Nobel people to be weird like that. They're just odd. Or intentionally trying to hurt his public image.
Title: Re: Obama Wins Peace Prize
Post by: Fuse on October 09, 2009, 01:35:07 pm
The Nobel people are trying to HURT his image? Not sure how that works. I wish my manager would try and hurt my economic status by giving me a raise.
Title: Re: Obama Wins Peace Prize
Post by: Tbone on October 09, 2009, 01:52:14 pm
Um, if someone like Sarah Palin was President, we'd be well into WWIII by now. He deserves it just for keeping someone like her away from being that close to presidency. Hahaha!
Seriously, though, it is a bit of a circle jerk between the rest of the world and the U.S. Obama was given the award for influencing the climate of international politics. Remember, the rest of the world used to hate us, and for the most part, they still do. Americans don't seem to give a shit about that...or the rest of the world...at least in their eyes.
Obama has once again given legitimacy to the United Nations. Already, his administration has reopened discussions with Iran, addressed nuclear disarmament and confronted the Western-Islamic divide, the source of so much that is wrong with the world today.
Is the award being used to say "Ok, this means the U.S. is going to play nice now, right?" Yeah, probably. He has a LOT of influence internationally...more so than I would say here at home. It's funny, because the more the "God-fearin, gun-totin" crowd hates him, the more I feel like he's doing his job to go against the grain to change our attitude towards the rest of the world.
In the end, though, yeah, he hasn't earned it yet. I do feel like they are saying "Here it is. Now you'd better earn it, because you have a chance as well as our attention".
Title: Re: Obama Wins Peace Prize
Post by: Tecknik on October 09, 2009, 03:47:39 pm
Nominations ended two weeks after his inauguration.
He hadn't done shit when he was nominated.
This doctor was nominated: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2t-n9TniHIs
He's actually done something. He actually deserved the award.
Title: Re: Obama Wins Peace Prize
Post by: Manic Velocity on October 09, 2009, 06:11:31 pm
Just to play devil's advocate, though I do think it's way too early to award him for anything, the Peace prize is traditionally awarded to people who "put the wheels in motion", so to speak. It's actually rare for someone to be given the award for something they directly accomplished. Most of the time it's because the nominees are long dead by the time their actions produce any real results. Nobels are never awarded posthumously. Longevity of a nominee is just as important as what they did to be nominated in the first place.
Title: Re: Obama Wins Peace Prize
Post by: Eroz on October 09, 2009, 09:36:05 pm
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Most of the time it's because the nominees are long dead by the time their actions produce any real results. Nobels are never awarded posthumously. Longevity of a nominee is just as important as what they did to be nominated in the first place.
[quoteThe Norwegian Nobel Committee has decided that the Nobel Peace Prize for 2009 is to be awarded to President Barack Obama for his extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples. The Committee has attached special importance to Obama's vision of and work for a world without nuclear weapons.
Obama has as President created a new climate in international politics. Multilateral diplomacy has regained a central position, with emphasis on the role that the United Nations and other international institutions can play. Dialogue and negotiations are preferred as instruments for resolving even the most difficult international conflicts. The vision of a world free from nuclear arms has powerfully stimulated disarmament and arms control negotiations. Thanks to Obama's initiative, the USA is now playing a more constructive role in meeting the great climatic challenges the world is confronting. Democracy and human rights are to be strengthened.
Only very rarely has a person to the same extent as Obama captured the world's attention and given its people hope for a better future. His diplomacy is founded in the concept that those who are to lead the world must do so on the basis of values and attitudes that are shared by the majority of the world's population.
For 108 years, the Norwegian Nobel Committee has sought to stimulate precisely that international policy and those attitudes for which Obama is now the world's leading spokesman. The Committee endorses Obama's appeal that "Now is the time for all of us to take our share of responsibility for a global response to global challenges."[/quote]
THE PRESIDENT: Good morning. Well, this is not how I expected to wake up this morning. After I received the news, Malia walked in and said, "Daddy, you won the Nobel Peace Prize, and it is Bo's birthday!" And then Sasha added, "Plus, we have a three-day weekend coming up." So it's good to have kids to keep things in perspective.
I am both surprised and deeply humbled by the decision of the Nobel Committee. Let me be clear: I do not view it as a recognition of my own accomplishments, but rather as an affirmation of American leadership on behalf of aspirations held by people in all nations.
To be honest, I do not feel that I deserve to be in the company of so many of the transformative figures who've been honored by this prize -- men and women who've inspired me and inspired the entire world through their courageous pursuit of peace.
But I also know that this prize reflects the kind of world that those men and women, and all Americans, want to build -- a world that gives life to the promise of our founding documents. And I know that throughout history, the Nobel Peace Prize has not just been used to honor specific achievement; it's also been used as a means to give momentum to a set of causes. And that is why I will accept this award as a call to action -- a call for all nations to confront the common challenges of the 21st century.
These challenges can't be met by any one leader or any one nation. And that's why my administration has worked to establish a new era of engagement in which all nations must take responsibility for the world we seek. We cannot tolerate a world in which nuclear weapons spread to more nations and in which the terror of a nuclear holocaust endangers more people. And that's why we've begun to take concrete steps to pursue a world without nuclear weapons, because all nations have the right to pursue peaceful nuclear power, but all nations have the responsibility to demonstrate their peaceful intentions.
We cannot accept the growing threat posed by climate change, which could forever damage the world that we pass on to our children -- sowing conflict and famine; destroying coastlines and emptying cities. And that's why all nations must now accept their share of responsibility for transforming the way that we use energy.
We can't allow the differences between peoples to define the way that we see one another, and that's why we must pursue a new beginning among people of different faiths and races and religions; one based upon mutual interest and mutual respect.
And we must all do our part to resolve those conflicts that have caused so much pain and hardship over so many years, and that effort must include an unwavering commitment that finally realizes that the rights of all Israelis and Palestinians to live in peace and security in nations of their own.
We can't accept a world in which more people are denied opportunity and dignity that all people yearn for -- the ability to get an education and make a decent living; the security that you won't have to live in fear of disease or violence without hope for the future.
And even as we strive to seek a world in which conflicts are resolved peacefully and prosperity is widely shared, we have to confront the world as we know it today. I am the Commander-in-Chief of a country that's responsible for ending a war and working in another theater to confront a ruthless adversary that directly threatens the American people and our allies. I'm also aware that we are dealing with the impact of a global economic crisis that has left millions of Americans looking for work. These are concerns that I confront every day on behalf of the American people.
Some of the work confronting us will not be completed during my presidency. Some, like the elimination of nuclear weapons, may not be completed in my lifetime. But I know these challenges can be met so long as it's recognized that they will not be met by one person or one nation alone. This award is not simply about the efforts of my administration -- it's about the courageous efforts of people around the world.
And that's why this award must be shared with everyone who strives for justice and dignity -- for the young woman who marches silently in the streets on behalf of her right to be heard even in the face of beatings and bullets; for the leader imprisoned in her own home because she refuses to abandon her commitment to democracy; for the soldier who sacrificed through tour after tour of duty on behalf of someone half a world away; and for all those men and women across the world who sacrifice their safety and their freedom and sometime their lives for the cause of peace.
That has always been the cause of America. That's why the world has always looked to America. And that's why I believe America will continue to lead.
Thank you very much.
Title: Re: Obama Wins Peace Prize
Post by: NoCry on October 10, 2009, 12:28:00 am
Like it or not chaps he is an amazingly popular statesman on the world front. Whereas under bush the world grew nervous of America and it's role in the world. You guys are the only accesible superpower and frankly Obama has gone a long way in changing the developing world's view of America. Sure, I suspect he is struggling on the national front but his actions internationally (particularly in the early days of his administration) have, like it or not, greatly improved america's world standing and stopped half the planet hating you (the other half I fear you are stuck with!).
Title: Re: Obama Wins Peace Prize
Post by: Tbone on October 10, 2009, 08:33:13 am
Quote from: "NoCry"
Like it or not chaps he is an amazingly popular statesman on the world front. Whereas under bush the world grew nervous of America and it's role in the world. You guys are the only accesible superpower and frankly Obama has gone a long way in changing the developing world's view of America. Sure, I suspect he is struggling on the national front but his actions internationally (particularly in the early days of his administration) have, like it or not, greatly improved america's world standing and stopped half the planet hating you (the other half I fear you are stuck with!).
I was hoping a non-American would put it into perspective. :)
Title: Re: Obama Wins Peace Prize
Post by: Fuse on October 10, 2009, 08:52:49 am
I have no problem giving it to him in 3 years... Hell, even one year if he makes some accomplishments. I agree that he has some great intentions for fixing international relations, but he hasn't done anything yet. There are much more deserving people who have actually accomplished something.
Oh yeah, and did you read this? How To Win The Nobel Peace Prize In Only 12 Days (http://lostlocalhost.com/?view=plink&id=256)
Title: Re: Obama Wins Peace Prize
Post by: Tbone on October 10, 2009, 11:10:07 am
Quote from: "Fuse"
Oh yeah, and did you read this? How To Win The Nobel Peace Prize In Only 12 Days (http://lostlocalhost.com/?view=plink&id=256)
OMG I can't believe he skipped church! Twice! It's almost as if he doesn't care about being judged based on his religion and is more concerned about being a neutral leader who is working for all races and religions! Gah! We're all dooooooooommmeeeed!!!
Title: Re: Obama Wins Peace Prize
Post by: Fuse on October 10, 2009, 11:13:50 am
As usual, T, you miss the point and give a completely irrelevant reply. This isn't about Obama as a president, it's about the Nobel people giving it to someone who doesn't deserve it. Obama's actions aren't in question in this instance as it relates to his quality of being a president. His deserving of this award when he was only president for 12 days is. He didn't do anything in order to receive this prize and there are much more deserving people on the list.
Title: Re: Obama Wins Peace Prize
Post by: NoCry on October 10, 2009, 03:09:58 pm
guys; he was active on the world stage well before his inaugauration. Even in the process where the candidates were selected he was sending out the right messages from a world front. I have not read the criteria for selection but presumably it was longer than a 12 day process. Was there not a 3 month transition or something? certainly in that time he was banging the drum well on the international front.
Title: Re: Obama Wins Peace Prize
Post by: Fuse on October 10, 2009, 04:02:40 pm
I live in his state where he was a senator, and he didn't do anything extrodinary for us. How many of you even knew his name before his presidential run?
Title: Re: Obama Wins Peace Prize
Post by: Fuse on October 12, 2009, 08:59:59 am
buuahaha! http://nobelpeaceprizegenerator.com/
and something of substance http://biggovernment.com/2009/10/11/reagan-was-noble-but-obama-got-the-prize/
Title: Re: Obama Wins Peace Prize
Post by: Heironymus on October 12, 2009, 10:59:32 am
this is from my facebook status update.. fot those who are not my friends on there..
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Congratulations Barack, and Ill let you finish your acceptance speach but Beyonce had the best music video for peace this year.
Title: Re: Obama Wins Peace Prize
Post by: Fuse on October 12, 2009, 03:50:51 pm
Oh man... I sooo want to stop posting in this thread, but this ones funny. (http://assets.comics.com/dyn/str_strip/000000000/00000000/0000000/200000/90000/8000/200/298241/298241.zoom.gif)
Title: Re: Obama Wins Peace Prize
Post by: Lithium on October 13, 2009, 05:09:53 pm
Congratulations to this year's Nobel Peace Prize winner... TACO BELL!
For achievements in diversity.
(http://liquiware.net/images/humor/blacktaco.jpg)
Title: Re: Obama Wins Peace Prize
Post by: Broin on October 13, 2009, 06:54:15 pm
Quote from: "Lithium"
Congratulations to this year's Nobel Peace Prize winner... TACO BELL!
For achievements in diversity.
(http://liquiware.net/images/humor/blacktaco.jpg)
That there is F'n awesome...
Title: Re: Obama Wins Peace Prize
Post by: Adad on October 13, 2009, 07:08:38 pm
It's more than Obama accomplished. ;)
Title: Obama Wins Peace Prize
Post by: Broin on October 13, 2009, 07:36:14 pm
Well at least one thing is good about it... .89 cents Cause that's about all anyone is gonna be able to afford soon.
I love it... I had a friend who works construction and voted for Obama He's always hating on the corporate guys, and the doctors, and lawyers, and you know people who spent more time in school than him and did more with their life, and put in more time away from family and in general sacraficed more to get more.
I told him good luck not having a job in six months. He was like what you mean... I told him who the hell do you think you work for.
LOL he lost his job in August. I was a few months off
Title: Obama Wins Peace Prize
Post by: Manic Velocity on October 13, 2009, 08:00:01 pm
Quote from: "Broin"
Well at least one thing is good about it... .89 cents Cause that's about all anyone is gonna be able to afford soon.
I love it... I had a friend who works construction and voted for Obama He's always hating on the corporate guys, and the doctors, and lawyers, and you know people who spent more time in school than him and did more with their life, and put in more time away from family and in general sacraficed more to get more.
I told him good luck not having a job in six months. He was like what you mean... I told him who the hell do you think you work for.
LOL he lost his job in August. I was a few months off
Yes... it's always hilarious when a friend loses their job.
Title: Obama Wins Peace Prize
Post by: Broin on October 13, 2009, 08:07:22 pm
Yeah I told him Karma was a bitch... hehe... Known him for over 30 years so he deserved the ribbin'.
Title: Obama Wins Peace Prize
Post by: Fuse on October 13, 2009, 10:07:58 pm
Some beleifs can not be changed by just someone elses opinion. Some people need a kick in the ass before they realize the error of their ways. Broins story makes me think of one of my best friends who is a liberal. He droped out of college and he bitches about paying for bills. He has a crappy bouncer job at a stripclub, meanwhile his wife is a waste of space following a dead end career choice. I want to tell him its his own fault for dropping out of college and wasting money-but am too nice.
Don't laugh, I am nice.
Title: Re: Obama Wins Peace Prize
Post by: Lithium on October 18, 2009, 12:21:39 pm
Nobel Peace Prize for controlling the media and flow of information in the leftist perspective.
Title: Re: Obama Wins Peace Prize
Post by: Tbone on October 18, 2009, 12:42:53 pm
Oh please. Let's not even get started on how biased Fox News is. I don't care what side of the fence you are one, everyone agrees Fox News is an extreme right wing network. My family and friends back home in Mississippi say "All we watch is Fox News. They're the only people who are right!". Yeah, because they tell you what you want to hear. Or more like try to give weight to the whacko fears that extreme conservatives have.
Nearly every rumor about Obama during the campaign was started/fueled by FOX. It isn't a news program and it sure as hell isn't a "fair and balanced" news program. They freakin LED the Tea Party Protests but didn't even cover the National Equality March consisting of tens of thousands of people.
I think they are right to call out Fox News. People see "news" and associate it with "truth" and Fox uses that to fuel not just a right-wing agenda, but also a lot of hate speech that is increasingly getting more and more dangerous.
If Obama is ever assassinated, I bet the guy who pulls the trigger will have gotten over half of his reasons for doing so from Fox News. And I'm not even gonna get started on how hypocritical they are when something is pro their agenda versus against. Their hypocrisy gives The Daily Show and Colbert Report half their freakin comedy fodder.
Fox News is controlling the flow of information. The Obama administration isn't interfering with Fox's freedom of expression. They're simply trying to raise awareness to a lot of ignorant people who still go to Fox for the "real news".
If the Enquirer asked for an interview with Obama, do you think they would get it? Same difference. The truth quota for both news sources is set about the same.
Title: Re: Obama Wins Peace Prize
Post by: Lithium on October 18, 2009, 01:20:32 pm
Wow is that hypocritical or what? A liberal, who doesn't vote, mind you. One who does not agree with the other side of the argument, spits out a bunch of statistics that don't make much sense and then says, "there will be no more discussion" in by locking down the topic.
I'll easily argue the "mainstream" media is the corrupt media. They 'freaken' LED the Obama's fund raising and advertising campaign. Every comedy sketch show invited him on. They didn't break the ACORN fraud until Fox uncovered it. They didn't talk about Van Jones the "Green Jobs Czar" being a self-proclaimed socialist until when? oh, until Fox news found out.
It goes on and on...
You want to talk about corrupt figures let's talk Micheal Moore.
Title: Re: Obama Wins Peace Prize
Post by: Fuse on October 18, 2009, 01:23:27 pm
If Fox News are liars and idiot, then so are the majority of cable news watchers as Fox has more viewers than the rest combined. (EDIT:OK, after some ACTUAL FACT checking, sometimes it's more than the rest combined, and sometimes not. For instance, according to tvbythenumbers.com Fox had a total viewer count of 1,507,000 last Thursday. The rest combined hit just 205,000 viewers over that at 1,712,000. So not quite "more than the rest combined" as I had mentioned. Yet that is still over %46 of the cable news viewers over 2 years old (P2+).
Personally, I get my news from multiple outlets because they're all bias to a degree. (No matter who you voted for it's hard to deny that CNN kisses democrats asses and consistently ignores vital information). I've found some of the best new agencies are foreign. Fox brings up great points that while may be from a certain perspective, does not make them wrong. They have many questions that if the WH would answer honestly, wouldn't be issues anymore - or would show the truth to every other liberal.
Title: Re: Obama Wins Peace Prize
Post by: Tbone on October 18, 2009, 01:48:25 pm
Quote from: "Lithium"
Wow is that hypocritical or what? A liberal, who doesn't vote, mind you. One who does not agree with the other side of the argument, spits out a bunch of statistics that don't make much sense and then says, "there will be no more discussion" in by locking down the topic.
I'm not sure what you're referring to locking a topic, and I'm not sure what me missing the deadline to get registered to vote has to do with things either, but please avoid personal attacks. If you can't debate without directly attacking the other person, then stay out of it.
And Fuse, I'm aware of how many viewers Fox has. Fox represents an entire party - almost half of the population. That's the scary part about it. They should be more responsible with that many people tuning it. The reason the other networks aren't like that is because the democrats don't have one single huge extreme leftist media outlet. The democrats get support from many outlets and not through such an extreme capacity as Fox, but more of just common sense people promoting smart ideas :-P
Title: Re: Obama Wins Peace Prize
Post by: Tbone on October 18, 2009, 01:51:27 pm
Michael Moore makes movies that you can choose to see or not to see. He isn't given his own show on a huge news network and allowed to tote his opinion as the truth that everyone needs to see. If Michael Moore had his own show on CNN, you could begin to make the comparison. The closest person you'll get to Glenn is Rush, who is also on your side of the fence! lol
Title: Re: Obama Wins Peace Prize
Post by: Fuse on October 18, 2009, 01:52:50 pm
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democrats don't have one single huge extreme leftist media outlet
You are joking, right?
Lith is referring to the fact that after his post at the top of the screen, the thread was locked. Then you posted. Then the thread was locked again. A glitch in the matrix?
Fox does not represent one party. I'm not sure where liberals get that idea. The questions they are asking should be asked by everyone - republican, democrat, libertarian, independent, and all Americans. I don't identify with any party, yet I'm glad someone is asking the right questions and the fact that the WH refuses to answer tells me (and the rest of the country) that they're on to something.
The largest increase in Fox's numbers are NOT from republicans. It's from independents, libertarians, and conservative democrats. If you don't believe me I'll pull the numbers for you on that as well. Might take me a while to track them down again though.
Title: Re: Obama Wins Peace Prize
Post by: Fuse on October 18, 2009, 02:02:13 pm
Quote from: "Tbone"
He isn't given his own show on a huge news network and allowed to tote his opinion as the truth that everyone needs to see
I watch a lot of news through the day (too much according to the wife) from tons of sources, and not once have I heard the fox opinion shows claim to be anything other than opinionated fact checkers. In fact, the recent shows of Glenn that I've caught he's stressed for WH officials to tell him exactly what he's wrong on. He presents the evidence he's found, asks the WH to explain that evidence, and gets no answer back. The WH has three options. They can answer him and other conservatives honestly. If they have nothing to hide, then this would have already happened. So this leads me to think they only have answers they want hidden from the public. Option #2 is that they attack the source. This sends a stronger message of guilt than option #3 which is ignorance. If they truly believed Fox has it wrong they can just ignore it and let the truth come out through other means.
I fail to see why Beck stirs up so much emotion in the WH and in liberals unless he's right. People notice when good questions go unanswered.
Title: Re: Obama Wins Peace Prize
Post by: Tbone on October 18, 2009, 02:19:52 pm
According to your logic, I can only assume Glenn Beck raped and murdered a girl in 1990. He has yet to answer any questions about the issue:
Title: Re: Obama Wins Peace Prize
Post by: Tbone on October 18, 2009, 02:22:27 pm
Quote from: "Fuse"
Lith is referring to the fact that after his post at the top of the screen, the thread was locked. Then you posted. Then the thread was locked again. A glitch in the matrix?
?
I didn't lock this thread. Did someone else try to lock it?
Title: Re: Obama Wins Peace Prize
Post by: Fuse on October 18, 2009, 02:30:54 pm
Quote from: "Tbone"
According to your logic, I can only assume Glenn Beck raped and murdered a girl in 1990. He has yet to answer any questions about the issue:
The difference between you and me seems to be that I think if there is evidence that proves this, I believe he should be brought up on charges and he should answer to the allegations - as anyone should; especially this administration. (EDIT:Second thought, "this administration" is bad wording, yet I'll keep it here for full disclosure. It should be "ANY administration" because Bush had a shitload to answer for that he never did either)
The biggest difference (admittedly without going further than the main page of that site) is that site clearly states it is only a rumor and has no proof. Fox presents true evidence in most cases and still gets laughed at.
So yes, by my logic you are correct that he should answer to that if proof is presented. Until then you should assume it is only, as that website says, a rumor.
Title: Re: Obama Wins Peace Prize
Post by: Tbone on October 18, 2009, 03:13:40 pm
I don't actually believe the website. It's a parody site. It says so both at the top and the bottom. It was meant to shed some light on the tactics used by Glenn Beck:
"Notice: This site is parody/satire. We assume Glenn Beck did not rape and murder a young girl in 1990, although we haven't yet seen proof that he didn't. But we think Glenn Beck definitely uses tactics like this to spread lies and misinformation."
This same tactic was used to spread propaganda about Obama such as he is Muslim and wasn't born in the US. Err...here's more info about it:
Basically I feel that if people like Beck would stop the fear-mongering and hyperbolic demonizing of the other side, they would have a much better chance of getting any LEGITIMATE questions/concerns addressed. Instead, they make it over-obvious that their ultimate goal is to have their party elected in 2012. Everything they do for these four years is about 2012.
Just use health care as an example. 2008, Glenn Beck rants about how horrible our health care is after undergoing surgery. He tries to create a huge panic on how we need drastic health care reform. 2009, Glenn Beck raves about how we have the best health care in the world and how everyone else in the world comes to us for the best health care and that saying otherwise is un-American. What changed in a year? The White House administration did...
So I don't take ANYTHING he says seriously and neither does anyone else with half a brain. Does he have some valid points and does he raise good questions? Maybe? Who knows. I don't trust what he says and I'm not going to validate his craziness with any sort of legitimacy. FOX pays the guy, so they are responsible. Keep the "crazy shit to get ratings" out of there and stick to rational news reporting. If you're going to have an opinion show on a major news network, don't give the show to a guy who tells people the President is better off putting a bullet in your head because he wants to set you on fire. And certainly don't validate that same guy by saying he deserves a response from the White House on the matter.
Title: Re: Obama Wins Peace Prize
Post by: Fuse on October 18, 2009, 03:48:12 pm
T, I can tell you don't watch him and am following the typical line of those who disagree with him without actually listening to what he says because, put simply, you are wrong in your assumptions. I have no urge to defend "Glenn Beck" as a person, but if your beleifs about politics are based on arguments against him, perhaps you should watch him for a couple weeks to get a clue. I've seen him as recently as 2 days ago talk about the broken healthcare system. Your logic suggests that if you don't agree with the way it should be fixed then you think it's perfect? No where on Fox have I seen any push for 'their party' in 2012 - if anything it's just a "get the corruption that's currently there now out!" camaign, which I'm still trying to understand why you're ok with it there. This isn't about parties, and Fox tries to makes that very clear.
By the way, do you claim that CNN or MSNBC are fair? Do you think their coverage of republican events and Bush's administration were fair and balanced? If you say they were then it's my beleif you're part of the problem. If you admit they're just as (moreso?) bias then perhaps you should take ANYTHING they say as serious either.
As far as his antics: If you can't grasp the concept of sarcasm and satire, and take everything litterally then you're a fool.
Take everything in, but witha grain of salt and don't ignore or rely on any one source because everyone has an agenda.
Title: Re: Obama Wins Peace Pri
Post by: Tbone on October 18, 2009, 05:36:13 pm
Quote from: "Fuse"
As far as his antics: If you can't grasp the concept of sarcasm and satire, and take everything litterally then you're a fool.
Take everything in, but witha grain of salt and don't ignore or rely on any one source because everyone has an agenda.
Ah, but see, therein lies my point. You and I can grasp that concept just fine, and then there's no harm. But out of all of the people watching, there are plenty plenty plenty of people who are "fools" and are not grasping that concept. They are taking EVERYTHING literal and taking it all as fact. And when you ask them how they know it is true or where in the world they heard it, they say "I heard it on the news. On Fox News." My own grandmother said "Yeah, I think I heard it from Glenn Beck", and then I had to explain to her that not everything Glenn Beck says is fact and truth. But even when I tried to explain that, she probably just assumed I was tainted by "liberal corruption".
(My grandmother told me that Obama was planning on limiting the number of children people could have to one per household. She stated it as a fact - something that was very likely to happen. She heard it on Fox, and I think she specified Beck.)
My grandmother isn't a moron either. When you're surrounded by it, it's just something you assume. Everyone around you says and feels that FOX is the only "unbiased, true news network" and takes everything they say on FOX very literal and serious. Unfortunately, it doesn't take being a fool to buy into the "fool's gold".
The difference in Beck's case is provoking an intelligent response versus an emotional response. I feel Beck goes for an "emotional response" to the sacrifice of an "intelligence response", and that's dangerous.
Title: Re: Obama Wins Peace
Post by: Lithium on October 18, 2009, 07:11:10 pm
Title: Re: Obama Wins Peace Prize
Post by: Fuse on October 20, 2009, 08:02:28 am
Quote from: "Fuse"
Might take me a while to track them down again though.
Couldn't find the stuff I was talking about but saw a report today from the same Global Market Research Center I saw the other one from HERE (http://www.newsmax.com/morris/fox_news_party_lines/2009/10/19/273848.html).
Main points:
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Overall, the survey showed that 21 percent of all American voters watched Fox News every day and 18 percent watched it several times each week. So, combined, 39 percent watched the station several times each week or more.
• Among Democrats, 17 percent watched it several times each week or more
• Among Independents, 46 percent watched the station several times each week or more
• And among Republicans, 55 percent watched it several times each week or more
The survey indicated that 11 percent of all American voters watched CNN “just about every day” and 20 percent watched several times each week or more.
Combined, 31 percent watched CNN several times each week or more.
For MSNBC, the totals were 10 percent watched just about every day and 8 percent watched several times each week. Combined, 18 percent watched MSNBC several times each week or more. ... The phone survey was taken from a statistically valid national sample of 800 registered voters. Some 36 percent of the respondents said they voted for more Democrats than Republicans while 32 percent said they voted for more Republicans. 24 percent said they voted equally for each party
Title: Re: Obama Wins Peace Prize
Post by: Phienyx on October 20, 2009, 02:59:42 pm
I'd have much more respect for Obama if he had just given it back stating the he did not deserve it.....yet. No. He is not in the same company as others who have won it before him.
Title: Obama Wins Peace Prize
Post by: Lithium on October 20, 2009, 04:31:06 pm
I'd like to share a revelation that I've had during my time here...
It came to me when I tried to classify human-beings and I realized that some of us aren't actually human. Every human on this planet instinctively develops a natural ambition to become educated and productive to society but many of you do not. You move to an area of poverty and you multiply and multiply until every government dollar is consumed and the only way you can survive is to spread poverty to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A liberal. Liberal-beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet. You're a plague and WE are the cure.
Title: Obama Wins Peace Prize
Post by: Tbone on October 20, 2009, 04:56:24 pm
Quote from: "Lithium"
I'd like to share a revelation that I've had during my time here...
It came to me when I tried to classify human-beings and I realized that some of us aren't actually human. Every human on this planet instinctively develops a natural ambition to become educated and productive to society but many of you do not. You move to an area of poverty and you multiply and multiply until every government dollar is consumed and the only way you can survive is to spread poverty to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A liberal. Liberal-beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet. You're a plague and WE are the cure.
So then conservatives are a psychopathic Agent Smith virus wanting everyone to conform to his beliefs and values and get rid of all individuality in order to create what he believes is a perfect society - a bunch of clones of himself?
Title: Obama Wins Peace Prize
Post by: Fuse on October 20, 2009, 04:59:49 pm
Congratz. You've done it. Both of your posts are so far off that I'm speechless. bravo.
=)
Title: Obama Wins Peace Prize
Post by: Lithium on October 30, 2009, 12:01:37 pm
Please don't forget to pick up your free black taco!