The Furious Angels
FA Discussion => Off Topic => Topic started by: Baobinga on May 22, 2011, 03:11:45 pm
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So I bought the GTX 220 when the GTX series was first announced. It did me well until recently it pooped out on me. It had serious heat problems even in my cooler master HAF case.
So I'm looking for a replacement. I kind of want a midrange card (price wise) because the specs on those stomp my old GTX 260 and that thing held up most games today with no problems. My budget is around 300 dollars. It can be slightly above or below.
What would you guys recommend? If you could also please give me a link with your post that would be great!
I've always been an Nvidea person but perhaps you ATI guys could bring me to the dark side. :D
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What are your system specifications? GTX 220 is an old card and runs PCI-E 1.0 I believe. If your system is outdated buying a $300 video card will be wasting money because your other components won't have the bandwidth to feed it.
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I bought a new motherboard to accomodate the AMD 1090t 6 core. I've got the ASUS M4A89GTD PRO.
It has PCIE 2.0
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You'll be fine then. Now you do some research. Here is the starting point:
http://www.guru3d.com/article/vga-charts-spring-2011/
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http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130591&cm_re=gtx_460_1gb-_-14-130-591-_-Product
Do it. This is what I'm getting, along with a new power supply. It's cheap right now with the rebate, too!
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Go for a full on 460, not the 460 SE!
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I think I'm gonna get this:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121432
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I've always been an Nvidea person but perhaps you ATI guys could bring me to the dark side. :D
It honestly depends on if your running amd/intel imo. I think AMD has streamlined the use of there gpu's to run specifically with ATI along with Intel and Nvidia.
Personally I'm running the ATI 6870 and have an extra just sitting in my case basically right now unplugged not touched... I have yet to touch a game that has been to graphic intensive that I felt that I needed to crossfire them. I would highly recommend them as they have dropped severely in price since when I purchased them back in Fall of 2010
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150506&cm_re=ati_6870-_-14-150-506-_-Product
If you are looking to do an upgrade and have the extra few hundred though consider giving your whole computer a boost ... I know I dropped only 1100-1300 (literally everything from gaming keyboard/mouse to monitors... printer... all internals and case) on a new build back in December and my setup SCREEEAMSSS.. lol
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btw . when I purchased the GPU(s) they were going for 300-400 >.< derp ... shouldve waited a few months hahaha
Save yourself the money and buy something a few months old and still has plenty of punch..
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Yeah it's a good point that if you have AMD hardware it's not a bad idea to get an ATI (now AMD) graphics.
And, IMO if you are spending over $300 on a card these days it ought to have at least 2GB on-board memory...
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Does anyone run a GTX 560 SLI?
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Just ordered this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102945
It's not unlockable to a 6970 like the old ones were (sucks but none of the new ones are anymore) but it comes with a free copy of Dirt 3 and the new Deus Ex. New generations of graphics cards should be coming over over the holiday so I'll probably put this one in Jess's machine and get whatever the newest is.
She currently has a GTS 450 and I have a Radeon 4850.
(http://i.imgur.com/75vuJ.png)
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I am actually looking at building this system in the near future.
1 – EVGA Classified SR-2 270-WS-W555-A2 LGA 1366 Intel 5520 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 HPTX Intel Motherboard
2 – Intel Xeon X5650 Westmere 2.66GHz LGA 1366 95W Six-Core Server Processor BX80614X5650
4 – EVGA 03G-P3-1596-AR GeForce GTX 590 (Fermi) 3072MB 768-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card
1 – Creative PCI Express Sound Blaster X-Fi Titanium Fatal1ty Champion Series Sound Card
1 – CORSAIR Professional Series Gold AX1200 (CMPSU-1200AX) 1200W ATX12V v2.31 / EPS12V v2.92 SLI Certified 80 PLUS GOLD Certified
4 – Western Digital Caviar Black WD1002FAEX 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
1 – COOLER MASTER HAF 932 Advanced RC-932-KKN5-GP Black Steel ATX Full Tower Compucase Case with USB 3.0 and Black Interior
6 – CORSAIR DOMINATOR GT 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240- Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1866 Desktop Memory Model CMT8GX3M2A1866C9
2 – COOLER MASTER V8 RR-UV8-XBU1-GP 120mm Rifle CPU Cooler Intel Core i7 compatible
1 – Crucial Real SSD C300 CTFDDAC128MAG-1G12.5" 128GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)
1 – LITE-ON Black 12X BluRay Burner with BluRay 3D feature SATA IHBS112-29 – OEM
1 – LITE-ON DVD Burner - Bulk Black SATA Model iHAS124-04 – OEM
4 – ASUS VH242H Black 23.6" 5ms HDMI Full 1080P Widescreen LCD Monitor
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Any particular reason you're choosing the Xeon over the other Intel Six-Core processors?
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Any particular reason you're choosing the Xeon over the other Intel Six-Core processors?
Good question when compared with the i7.
Unless you want a hell of a lot of memory (~96GB), then I would i7 instead. Although if you are considering dual CPU in the future, Xeon might still be the way... I'm sure there are other reasons.
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I was assuming the dual-processor potentional as the most likely scenerio but was just curious.
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Don't get a XEON. LOL get an i7.
XEONs wont benefit you in gaming.
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Some google research to get you started.
http://goo.gl/DUVjM
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The system will be a dual processor setup with 24gigs of ram to start, with the potential to expand to 48gigs. System will have 4 Way SLI support with 4 EVGA GTX590 Fermi 3072Mb 768bit.
Honestly don't have a real reason for Xeno over i7 other then price. I could downgrade the mother board and ram.
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We put Xenons into our workstations at the office for doing 3D design and rendering work. If you're not going to do that kind of processing, you're not going to see any benefits outside of a benchmark program. You won't see any benefit in video games at all. They're just not designed to utilize the processor that way.
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I'm not trying to poke holes in your system or anything. But this is severe overkill for a gaming rig. That much RAM and XEON (server) processors are for servers. Not gaming. HUGE difference. Servers are built to be slow, precise, fault tolerant but you trade latency for stability. They are NOT gaming computers.
If you need a bleeding edge system for something like engineering rendering or a special development app you need requires XEONS with 24GB of RAM that's one thing.
If you're wanting to play your games at 100+ frames per second with every setting maxed, that's another thing.
The reason I say this is mostly due to the money thing. You can easily sink 5, 6 7 grand into a machine like this. Which is like 3 or 400% more cost than the average top of line line gaming rig. Keeping that in mind, you WILL NOT see a 3 or 400% increase in your gaming experience. Most of that money is going to sit there quickly losing value. Tri SLI is also a pretty big waste of money. That is unless you really want to show off synthetic benchmark scores.
Now let's say you have 6 or 7 grand burning a hole in your pocket. Drop 2k on a bad ass gaming computer. And put the rest in the bank. Every year put another 500 or $1,000 into getting the top of the line single Graphics card out there. MAYBE SLI but meh, And maybe every 2 years or so getting a new CPU. You're not wasting money that way. If you sink all your money into a super computer now, you're still going to be outdated in a year or two like everyone else.
Regarding dual or tri SLI or crossfile.. I still haven't seen a cost analysis that shows real world perfomance gains that match the dollars you need to put into it. Keep in mind, the last two rigs I built were SLI and Crossfire rigs. None of the games I played even took advantage of DUAL GPU. I sold my extra video card last time. I just didn't see the gain. Heck, a lot of games STILL won't take advantage of multicore CPUs. Devs build games towards what most people own. Most people can't afford a super rig like that.
Just trying to save you some money. Having a machine like that is worth bragging rights for a year or so. After that, you're just letting a huge amount of money depreciate. Fast.
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We put Xenons into our workstations at the office for doing 3D design and rendering work. If you're not going to do that kind of processing, you're not going to see any benefits outside of a benchmark program. You won't see any benefit in video games at all. They're just not designed to utilize the processor that way.
I am actually planning on using it more for 3D design and rendering work then for gaming. I personally wanted to get into doing graphic design work as a hobby / business, I know I should probably buy cheaper system to start out but if I start a business by selling graphic designs then it will become a write off in the end.
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I'm not trying to poke holes in your system or anything. But this is severe overkill for a gaming rig. That much RAM and XEON (server) processors are for servers. Not gaming. HUGE difference. Servers are built to be slow, precise, fault tolerant but you trade latency for stability. They are NOT gaming computers.
If you need a bleeding edge system for something like engineering rendering or a special development app you need requires XEONS with 24GB of RAM that's one thing.
If you're wanting to play your games at 100+ frames per second with every setting maxed, that's another thing.
The reason I say this is mostly due to the money thing. You can easily sink 5, 6 7 grand into a machine like this. Which is like 3 or 400% more cost than the average top of line line gaming rig. Keeping that in mind, you WILL NOT see a 3 or 400% increase in your gaming experience. Most of that money is going to sit there quickly losing value. Tri SLI is also a pretty big waste of money. That is unless you really want to show off synthetic benchmark scores.
Now let's say you have 6 or 7 grand burning a hole in your pocket. Drop 2k on a bad ass gaming computer. And put the rest in the bank. Every year put another 500 or $1,000 into getting the top of the line single Graphics card out there. MAYBE SLI but meh, And maybe every 2 years or so getting a new CPU. You're not wasting money that way. If you sink all your money into a super computer now, you're still going to be outdated in a year or two like everyone else.
Regarding dual or tri SLI or crossfile.. I still haven't seen a cost analysis that shows real world perfomance gains that match the dollars you need to put into it. Keep in mind, the last two rigs I built were SLI and Crossfire rigs. None of the games I played even took advantage of DUAL GPU. I sold my extra video card last time. I just didn't see the gain. Heck, a lot of games STILL won't take advantage of multicore CPUs. Devs build games towards what most people own. Most people can't afford a super rig like that.
Just trying to save you some money. Having a machine like that is worth bragging rights for a year or so. After that, you're just letting a huge amount of money depreciate. Fast.
Thank you likwidtek, I honestly appreciate you poking holes into it. Having another set of eyes on specifications and a system setup is always a plus.
As I stated in my last message, I plan on using it for 3D designs etc.
As far as what I am currently using, I built this rig around April of 2008, I spent about 1700 on this setup back then, I probably will be upgrading it slightly as well just for gaming. I love newegg!
XFX 780i nForce motherboard.
Intel 2.4GHz Quad Core
4 Gig Ram
2 – XFX GTX 9800+ Black Edition Video Cards in SLI.
ABS Tagan BZ Series 900W
4 – 250g Western Digital RE hard drives SATA
1 – Lite On DVD Burner
Xclio Case
2 – 24” Sceptre Monitors
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What software will you be using for 3d design? Maybe I can help, I'm an IT manager for a global engineering firm. I design systems for the CAD and BIM department. We have machines that are running enormous models of huge universities, all the MEP (mechanical, electrical and plumbing), nanofabs, flat panel display fabs... all kinds of stuff.
If it's anything like that I can surely give you some insider info on a perfect system that won't wreck your bank. Is it Autodesk software like Max, Revit and AutoCAD?
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Likwidtek pownz.
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my rig is
AMD 6 Core 1099t
8 gigs ddr3 ram
2 5870 Radeon hd in crossfire
asus pro mb
900w power supply
1 terabyte hd
1 Samsung BX2250 LED 22 in monitor hooked up with a hdmi cable
it cost me about 850 dollore to get this build right. and here is what it can do
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_H_Kk7SwIs
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just ordered my new compy today, video card is a NVIDIA GeForce GTX 560 - 2GB
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nice that is a good card