The Furious Angels
FA Discussion => General => Topic started by: Broin on October 12, 2011, 10:22:46 pm
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So for the new members we had at one point produced FA collector coins.... as seen on this thread.
http://thefuriousangels.com/index.php?topic=4428
We were discussing tonight and the idea came up for a new FA coin to be produced and made available for all members who were around for release.
So we are taking suggestions for designs and what not... So use this thread for your artwork designs or ideas.
Personally I like the idea of the old Symbol on one side the new Symbol on the other and then the qoute "In order to shape our future... .... We must first understand our past"
Though some others had some good ideas about the FA symbol on one side and the Repbulic Symbol on the other.
LET THE FEEDBACK AND DISCUSSION BEGIN.
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I love the idea. I'm leaning towards the new/old FA symbols on opposing sides. That way the new coin will have a connection to the history of FA rather than just swtor.
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I'll throw my 2 cents in.. little joke there.. I'm in for a coin and my suggestion is Republic emblem on one side and FA emblem on the backside.
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Those of you are familiar with the military should understand where I'm coming from on this - I'm in favor of having the coin be unique to SWTOR. The idea being that the coins should be unique to the mission or challenge at the time. By that measure the old coin gains value for its rarity and unique nature just as this coin will gain value and uniqueness years from now.
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I'm a fan of Mharz thinking process. Something involving TOR / SW
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I'm for the FA logo/Republic logo idea. Our original coin was unique to MxO, the new coin should be unique to TOR.
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New FA Logo
FA Quote
Republic Logo / "Hopefully no trade mark issues with using it"
Release date of SWTOR / Mission Date so to speak
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Republic emblem on one side and FA emblem on the backside.
I'm up for that... sounds good!
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My vote is FA logo one side and Republic Logo other side.
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Well my ideas for this all is one I love the coin idea (military brat AF so I have a few from my father ). Two There is the trademark issue we might just want to use OUR logo not SW or we'd have to ask permission to do such cause this would brake copy-writes. I'm thinking mabey on the side of the coin we have the words etched in for the quote maybe in aurberesh and have the english on the coin it's self.
I'd also like to also hint coins for certain achievements like hitting max lv ( Like it would have the date you did it on and such so you have something to commemorate your success )to give people a drive or goals per-say. Maybe have an award or such for certain guild position like say each order would have their own coin specific to their members like squadrons. So when we would have get togethers we can throw down in coin challenges on who would by drinks or pay for dinner XD.
You could also have Commander coins for when someone in the order does something outstanding. Receiving a commanders coin in a big honor there are only a few even made and given out like I have my fathers commander coin and it meant a lot. ( I received one and 2 others in my father 200+ man squadron 740th Missile squadron Minot AFB )
I'm one for tradition so I fully support this idea and would love to be apart of the design team.
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I agree with nearly everyone. New FA logo on one side, the Republic logo on the other.
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I agree with nearly everyone. New FA logo on one side, the Republic logo on the other.
I agree with the idea but there could be a big hassle to allow us to do this cause someone is making money off the coin so legalities might be a bitch.
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The coins would not be for profit at all. They would be distributed to members who wanted to purchase them for the cost of production plus shipping.
They would remain available only to guild members so I don't think we'd have a problem at all.
They would be limited availablity only to the members in guild at launch.
Looks like everyone is liking the republic and FA symbol. Now how about color schemes, examples of design, any type of slogan to be put on either side. etc.,
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New FA Logo
FA Quote
Republic Logo / "Hopefully no trade mark issues with using it"
Release date of SWTOR / Mission Date so to speak
Love this idea
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Those of you are familiar with the military should understand where I'm coming from on this - I'm in favor of having the coin be unique to SWTOR. The idea being that the coins should be unique to the mission or challenge at the time. By that measure the old coin gains value for its rarity and unique nature just as this coin will gain value and uniqueness years from now.
This is how i feel about it. It gives the original coin and its owners a sense of uniqueness and rarity about it.
And the symbol has some give. unlike games workshop where posting one of their logos on a website incurs threats of legal action, Lucasfilm has historically been pretty lenient on the use of their symbols by fans as long as your not profiting from it in any way.
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Hmm... This idea seems vaguely familiar.
coughcough http://thefuriousangels.com/index.php?msg=101722 coughcough.
:P
I highly recommend that site. They're well priced, and can do just about anything. They can do some pretty intricate designs as well. The coins come out great, and they'll take a beating. I carry one around in my wallet for challenge coin purposes. I've got a few different ones that I could take pictures of.
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You might want to have that looked at Tec. I had a friend die of coughing up URLs.
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Umm... How about... Coins for each Order?
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Umm... How about... Coins for each Order?
That may not be realistic financially.
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If we don't recieve design examples from members who want to show how they want the coins to be by next weekend then I'm going to take over and just have it done the way I want.
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I am for the old logo on one side and new on the other. Using the same reasoning people are going for the republic logo. It should be symbolic of the time and it shows our transition from the old to SWTOR. If it just had a republic logo it could be from anytime we play this game launch day or 5 years from now. The republic logo on the coin would only be significant if we switched to empire. Which we won't. Also that avoids any legal issues that could possibly happen. I can see in the future the use of a logo or symbol related to expansion packs again relating to the mission at hand.
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In thinking about this a little I'll add in that I think we should have something mentioning "ascension" on the coin. Maybe call it "Operation Ascension" and put a date on it 12/20/2011. FA symbol and republic logo on the sides. Just my two cents.. pun intended.
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We need actual graphics of ideas if possible
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We need actual graphics of ideas if possible
*points at the talented artist types in the faction*
I don't have a good FA symbol but I could dig for a Republic Logo.
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Do we have a place to get FA image resources?
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Do we have a place to get FA image resources?
Check you PM's
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A couple mock-ups I threw together during the interviews tonight.
Coin Front (click image for full size)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/ghisteslwchlohm/th_FACOINfront1.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/ghisteslwchlohm/FACOINfront1.jpg)
Coin Back
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/ghisteslwchlohm/th_FACOINback1.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/ghisteslwchlohm/FACOINback1.jpg)
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can we have an eu version with the date the correct way round
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o.o that's not bad G
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I really like it G, but i can't help but feel like the back side of the coin has too much blue. Maybe it's just me. I don't really see another way to do the Republic sign.
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can we have an eu version with the date the correct way round
OMG YES PLEASE!
I HATE how we do the date in America. Ever since I was little this has bugged the hell out of me and I think I was 6 in school when I first had to learn about the calendar and found out that Europe actually does it the right way. So I started writting it the way they do and I have caught nothing but grief for it.
Just started my new job last week and they actually made me re-do all the paperwork because of this. Fucking american pioneers. Changing shit that didn't need to be changed.
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Awesome example, G. My only criticism is the date. I don't care which format it's in (American or European), but it just looks like a random string of numbers without the proper seperators.
And am I the only one who thinks our logo would look awesome in gold against the black background?
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I really like it G, but I can't help but feel like the back side of the coin has too much blue. Maybe it's just me. I don't really see another way to do the Republic sign.
It's easy to change the color to white...
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First of all i love it as is... if it stayed as is i'd be perfectly fine with it.
I would agree the date does look like a random number string, also regarding the date wouldn't it only have pre-launch relevance? After launch it's outdated. If we're going to do a date maybe the date FA was created?
Alternately instead of the date put your order? Or better... put the URL on the back side... and put your order on the front side. Doing something like making real pins and what not probably not a great idea as that would cut your volume run rate down and drive up your price per unit.
Actually if you make me the front emblem with Aequitas Order on the bottom instead of the URL i'd love you long time, maybe just like you a lot for a little while?
Regardless of the details its great work!
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And am I the only one who thinks our logo would look awesome in gold against the black background?
You are not.
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A couple mock-ups I threw together during the interviews tonight.
Coin Front (click image for full size)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/ghisteslwchlohm/th_FACOINfront1.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/ghisteslwchlohm/FACOINfront1.jpg)
Coin Back
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/ghisteslwchlohm/th_FACOINback1.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/ghisteslwchlohm/FACOINback1.jpg)
That's what I've been looking for as examples... Please submit more if any have them.
The last coin had the guild inception date on it... or close to it "officially furious since 2004"
Personally I like using the date of release as our Ascension. Ties it to the specific goal.... And WE WILL LIMIT the coin only to those members in guild at that date.
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We could just put December 2011 to avoid the date format, that and most of us will be playing pre-release anyway.
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One other note - I would want to make sure the URL is on the side with our logo - mainly because when we show it off we want that bit to be in peoples minds.
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I like it overall, but can we get the republic logo in a darker blue?
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Maybe a darker blue like in our top header of our website
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Unfortunately I didn't save a PSD of the darn things, so I'm basically gonna have to redo them from scratch. So is everyone ok with the following changes?
-December 2011 (instead of EU/US date string)
-Darker blue for Republic symbol
-Gold FA symbol
Any other ideas or changes you guys want?
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can we have an eu version with the date the correct way round
I HATE how we do the date in America.
We won the revolution so we could put the date the way WE WANT it!
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Come on Litium, if you're gonna take the time to read the posts and say something, could you at least contribute some sort of opinion relating to the subject?
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Maybe remove "THE" from Furious Angels on the front? And... Instead of the URL, insert the Order? I.E Aequitas.
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Again, I say keep the URL. It would help gain more hits when seen.
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People are going to ask for the URL once they see the coin anyways... Or gonna Google Furious Angels, or just ask about it.
Fuse, I understand your point, I really do. Its just that I doubt that, the people who will see my coin, my friends, will wanna play swtor, i've done my best trying to recruit.
So i'd just rather ask for a more personalized coin that really shows my attachment to the Faction.
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Come on Litium, if you're gonna take the time to read the posts and say something, could you at least contribute some sort of opinion relating to the subject?
This is Lithium you're talking to...
Maybe remove "THE" from Furious Angels on the front? And... Instead of the URL, insert the Order? I.E Aequitas.
Having the Order on the coin is most likely not going to be possible. You need to realize that companies that make these coins do them in bulk. We're talking orders of 100+ coins.
We currently have seven Orders, not all of them full. That's at least 700 coins, for what right now I believe is only 100 members.
Now, if every member was going to buy 7 coins, it might work. I just don't see that happening, and it doesn't really make much sense.
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Unfortunately I didn't save a PSD of the darn things, so I'm basically gonna have to redo them from scratch. So is everyone ok with the following changes?
-December 2011 (instead of EU/US date string)
-Darker blue for Republic symbol
-Gold FA symbol
Any other ideas or changes you guys want?
Just a thought.. Instead of arguing over how to do the date.. whether its mm/dd/yy or dd/mm/yy why dont you just pick one and put it in Angel Text like we have at the top of our website.. that way.. seriously only the people in the faction will understand its meaning and its not like EVERYONE that is in the faction at the time of launch wont know the launch day.. I think the Angel Text would be a cool touch.
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Just a thought.. Instead of arguing over how to do the date.. whether its mm/dd/yy or dd/mm/yy why don't you just pick one and put it in Angel Text like we have at the top of our website.. that way.. seriously only the people in the faction will understand its meaning and its not like EVERYONE that is in the faction at the time of launch won't know the launch day.. I think the Angel Text would be a cool touch.
Angel text? Do you mean the blue Aurebesh?
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Angel text? Do you mean the blue Aurebesh?
yes.. the blue text under and above The Furious Angels
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Took some pictures of the coins I have, including the first FA coin. Figured they might be helpful for design ideas/references.
http://www.box.net/shared/1r004as2z7them35y0sr
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Maybe remove "THE" from Furious Angels on the front? And... Instead of the URL, insert the Order? I.E Aequitas.
We will not remove the "The" from our name. We are The Furious Angels. In regards to people wanting a coin for their specific order, as others have said, it is not financially possible. It would inflate the costs dramatically. The company who is doing this would have to do 7 different prints for the coins, and that's the expensive part. The cheap part is the actual coin. The more people that order, the better our economies of scale.
We are a cohesive, singular unit, and these coins symbolize that. We are all ascending at the same time, and that is the point of this coin. This is not about being individualistic or trying to differentiate ourselves from one another. We are all Furious Angels, which should already make it incredibly personal for you and should differentiate it from everything else you have.
I like Ohm's graphics a lot, by the way.
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(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/ghisteslwchlohm/th_FACOINback2.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/ghisteslwchlohm/FACOINback2.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/ghisteslwchlohm/th_FACOINGoldfrontalt4.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/ghisteslwchlohm/FACOINGoldfrontalt4.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/ghisteslwchlohm/th_FACOINGoldfrontalt3.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/ghisteslwchlohm/FACOINGoldfrontalt3.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/ghisteslwchlohm/th_FACOINGoldfrontalt1.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/ghisteslwchlohm/FACOINGoldfrontalt1.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/ghisteslwchlohm/th_FACOINGoldfrontalt2.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/ghisteslwchlohm/FACOINGoldfrontalt2.jpg)
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Hope I'm not the only one in this boat again, but I like the white symbol vs. the gold better.
Love the designs so far. NJ.
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I dislike the coloring on all the last ones.
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We are all THE Furious Angels, which should already make it incredibly personal for you and should differentiate it from everything else .
You forgot the THE Ana. fixed it for ya. :-)
As for fuse's comment. I like the white or a super light grey on the black background. It's more about who we are. The light in the darkness. The grey line between blind faith and the greater good. Just my two cents.
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I prefer the white FA symbol as well. I also liked the random string of numbers as the date, but what it is currently works too. Aesthetically I hate the date with slashes and dashes.
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dont really like the gold color myself
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I like the string of numbers myself and I don't care for the gold either.
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I think the designs are top notch. Great job on those.
Colors - I'm a fan of simple and elegant and I don't care for the gold. Given the choice I would do I light ghostly almost glowing blue (barely bolder than silver) FA symbol and republic symbol. Understating the graphics draws the eye to the text I think.
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I think the designs are top notch. Great job on those.
Colors - I'm a fan of simple and elegant and I don't care for the gold. Given the choice I would do I light ghostly almost glowing blue (barely bolder than silver) FA symbol and republic symbol. Understating the graphics draws the eye to the text I think.
I like the color idea Mharz has... Just not so sure how well it can be pulled off by the people making the coin. Talked with Bell so I'll get with him next week about some of this.
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Oh! I forgot to mention in my last post that the URL should be either www.thefuriousangels.com or www.followthesignal.net, not www.followtheangel.org. We don't direct people to www.followtheangel.org anymore in any of our posts; that's simply a relic of our MXO days, and it just so happens that our member area is on this domain instead of www.thefuriousangels.com.
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Oh! I forgot to mention in my last post that the URL should be either www.thefuriousangels.com or www.followthesignal.net, not www.followtheangel.org. We don't direct people to www.followtheangel.org anymore in any of our posts; that's simply a relic of our MXO days, and it just so happens that our member area is on this domain instead of www.thefuriousangels.com.
I agree.
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Oh! I forgot to mention in my last post that the URL should be either www.thefuriousangels.com or www.followthesignal.net, not www.followtheangel.org. We don't direct people to www.followtheangel.org anymore in any of our posts; that's simply a relic of our MXO days, and it just so happens that our member area is on this domain instead of www.thefuriousangels.com.
I agree.
I also agree.
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I think the designs are top notch. Great job on those.
Colors - I'm a fan of simple and elegant and I don't care for the gold. Given the choice I would do I light ghostly almost glowing blue (barely bolder than silver) FA symbol and republic symbol. Understating the graphics draws the eye to the text I think.
I like the color idea Mharz has... Just not so sure how well it can be pulled off by the people making the coin. Talked with Bell so I'll get with him next week about some of this.
Tried my best at this, not sure how much I like it though.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/ghisteslwchlohm/th_FACOINfront2.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/ghisteslwchlohm/FACOINfront2.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/ghisteslwchlohm/th_FACOINback3.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/ghisteslwchlohm/FACOINback3.jpg)
Also, adjusted the URL.
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The curve of "THE FURIOUS ANGELS" is spot on, but the curve of "FOLLOWTHESIGNAL.NET" is a bit off, other than that it looks great.
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Hi everyone. The designs look great!
I just wanted you to think of the cost for the design. For each side of the coin a die will need to made (usually between $100 up to $150 per side - depends on complexity). Also, There is a cost for most colors ($5 up to $25), Clear Coat (that is optional - I payed $50 for the last order), and there is always a minimum order limit (usually 100).
My total for everything last time was 656.50, and that was just for an order of 100.
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I cant say that I like this color change.
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G, I think this is the best so far but what I was thinking of was that light glowing blue on a silver backgrond. Think of a brushed pewter or natural nickel with that light glowing blue. Sorry to be a pain in the arse.
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Hi everyone. The designs look great!
I just wanted you to think of the cost for the design. For each side of the coin a die will need to made (usually between $100 up to $150 per side - depends on complexity). Also, There is a cost for most colors ($5 up to $25), Clear Coat (that is optional - I payed $50 for the last order), and there is always a minimum order limit (usually 100).
My total for everything last time was 656.50, and that was just for an order of 100.
Where did you get them from Bell?
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G, I think this is the best so far but what I was thinking of was that light glowing blue on a silver backgrond. Think of a brushed pewter or natural nickel with that light glowing blue. Sorry to be a pain in the arse.
I think I'm just gonna star ignoring Mharz...
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G, I think this is the best so far but what I was thinking of was that light glowing blue on a silver backgrond. Think of a brushed pewter or natural nickel with that light glowing blue. Sorry to be a pain in the arse.
I think I'm just gonna star ignoring Mharz...
They do that to me at work. Then later (depending on the project) they realize their errors. Its the story of my life really.
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I don't know how to post... Ignore me.
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G, I think this is the best so far but what I was thinking of was that light glowing blue on a silver backgrond. Think of a brushed pewter or natural nickel with that light glowing blue. Sorry to be a pain in the arse.
I think I'm just gonna star ignoring Mharz...
They do that to me at work. Then later (depending on the project) they realize their errors. Its the story of my life really.
That's why you have to learn to be loud and boisterous like I am. Very few people are able to ignore me! Hahaha.
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Can't deny that a nickel or pewter finish would look rather nice..kinda like: "Ooo shiny!"
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So we are wrapping up the final process with the coins. I have numerous quotes outstanding and already in but it appears that price range is going to be around $600-$700 for a 100 count of coins.
I have several images maybe Lithium or someone can take the ones I posted the other night and throw them in here.
Most of them look like the old coins which is pretty cool, but if we are wanting something different we need to decide.
Here are some websites with examples of different styles of metal and colors. So take a look and respond with input cause I'll be placing the order in about a week.
http://www.montereycompany.com/gallery/coins/corporate-coins-gallery/
http://www.allaboutchallengecoins.com/artworkgallery.html
http://www.coinsforanything.com/samples.aspx
http://www.wholesale-challengecoins.com/challenge-coin-gallery.html
http://www.challengecoinsltd.com/gallery
http://www.challengecoinsplus.com/gallery.html
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Personally.. on the first website.. I like the fourth and fifth coin colors.. the black on the last one and the blue on the boeing coin.. I think the for the lettering we should use the third row down second coins lighter pewter almost silver color for that.. I think it will be a nice representation of the blue of the emblem.. the black of the dark side and our words being in Grey (or gray).. which is where we stand..
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I do enjoy the finish of the silver side of our first FA coin, especially with the bit of colour in the feather.
Heh, it's also more "coin-like"...